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DF Spoilers / Re: Starborn idea
« on: September 18, 2017, 05:07:46 PM »
Yes, Lash told Harry as much in White Night.  No, she didn't call him star born, that is a term someone else gave him... But she said..

page 363

"It is relevant," Lash said, "Because of the circumstances of your birth--because of whyyou were born, Hary.  Your mother found the strength to escape Lord Raith for a reason."

She goes on to say a few lines later;

"There was a complex confluence of events, of energies, of circumstances that would have given a child born under them the potential to wield power over Outsiders."

She nearly confesses to Harry in Blood Rites what she did, I don't have time to look up the exact quote now, but in his vision of her in his soul gaze with Thomas, she speaks of her arrogance to do what she did in creating him.. In  Dead Beat his dream about Malcolm he also speaks of the unfair burden he and Margaret placed on him...  To my way of thinking that pretty much spells it out that they deliberately conceived Harry to be a star born.

Does that imply that Malcolm was complicit in engineering a starborn? I've never considered that before. That puts a different spin on his character for me. I've never really thought about Malcolm, to be honest, which is unfortunate now that I am. I always kind of chalked him up as a vanilla mortal who got swept up in a romance and found that the world was way more complicated than he thought. But if he was complicit, and there was something specific about Malcolm that Margaret was looking for...

If there's anything to the Five Points of Starborn Genesis idea, maybe it was Malcolm's spirit that contributed? Harry seems to get a lot of his altruism from his dad.

Lash's statement implies that Margaret got the strength to escape Raith in order to make a starborn; did she realize that Raith had Outsider sponsorship? Did one of her contact among the Courts show her the Outer Gates, and realized that the next generation needed a starborn to combat them? Maybe she understood that she'd never be able to make a starborn with Raith, and started looking for someone compatible?

Or—and this is a whole lot of conjecture—did she somehow find out about Nemesis, realized the threat it represented, and do everything she could to stop it? Maybe... after being infected herself?

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DF Spoilers / Re: Has Eb already chosen his successor? If he has, who?
« on: September 15, 2017, 08:07:11 PM »
Jim said the Blackstaff chooses the wizard.  Now I actually interpreted it meaning the Blackstaff itself chose the wizard but I think someone showed that Jim meant the Blackstaff wizard chose the next Blackstaff.  Well the position is very very dangerous.  Eb has got to know that there is a good chance someone will take him down before he can hand it down to someone else.  So my guess is he has in advance chosen who will take is place at the time of his death.  Who would you see him picking?

I could see him picking Harry, believing Harry is the right guy for the job, but I'm also thinking Luccio might be his pick (perhaps so Harry wouldn't have to live with the nightmares of what he would have to do).

That is exactly the kind of word lawyering I would expect from a sneaky little author like Jim.

For me, candidates would include Harry, Ramirez, Luccio, Chandler, and Listens-to-Wind.

1. Harry is the most likely choice. Eb clearly has faith in him, and believes he can handle the burden of being The Warden. But I think circumstances have changed too much; with his Wardening and Knighting he has to do full time, adding the office of Blackstaff might be too much for Harry to handle, and I'd expect Eb to think similarly.
2. Luccio is doable, but I think she'd be too rigidly in support of the laws. Not to Morgan levels of insanity, but not flexible enough. Plus, after the body switch, she's lost her full potential, and has proven susceptible to mind alteration.
3. Listens-to-Wind is more likely, I think, specifically because Eb respects his ability to rein in his anger and outrage, and act dispassionately, according to his conversation in Turn Coat. Seems like a good candidate for someone with power over life and death. Plus, imagine what access to black magic could do for a Healer.
4. Ramirez is a bit of a stretch. He's proven brave and loyal, and can think outside the box. But Ebenezer doesn't know him well enough yet for him to be seriously considered, I think.
5. Chandler is my longshot. Capable, dependable, and loyal in enough quantities that he's trusted by everyone on the Council, even the top brass. Harry notes he's been seen in positions that would require great trust too often for it to be a fluke.

Really, it depends on what you think the role of the Blackstaff is. I see it as a check against the Council's arrogance and politicking, when action is being deliberately halted or slowed by bureaucracy and the rules and Laws are twisted against their purpose of protection. Eb would want it passed to someone who is as far away from that nonsense as possible.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Romulan Commander - or the like
« on: September 15, 2017, 05:19:10 PM »
Okay, this is just for fun, but ....

Toward the end of Ghost Story, there was a battle that was staged on the Bridge of the Starship Enterprise.  The Corpstaker was attacking the various quadrants of Molly's mind.

So, if it's Molly's mind, why was it a "cityscape" being attacked and not a planet or something?  And why was it (now remember we're in her mind) not the Romulans, or the Klingons attacking, instead of only being CorpseTaker?

I think Borg would've been thematically appropriate, considering Corpsetaker's abilities :)

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DF Spoilers / Re: Hot water
« on: September 15, 2017, 05:17:40 PM »
But why?  I mean the ground is already really convenient.

Harry can bring up a shield almost instantly. He's also used his shield to project a kind of force field as a flat plane before; he could very quickly create a circle trap if he did it around a group of bad dudes from the Nevernever, for example.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Hot water
« on: September 15, 2017, 05:09:23 PM »
No, other way around, circles work because their grounded, stable, ect. You could theoretically ground it on a shield, but Jim point's out that's crazy, but not Impossible. You'd just have to actually believe the shield a stable base to ground it on.
Need to find this woj again, it's only a yr or 2 old... should be written somewhere.  I know I read it not listened to it.

You mean, for example, if Dresden were to conjure a shield that was circular, he could use the edge of that shield the same way he would use a drawn circle? Am I understanding correctly?

I could see how that would be useful in some situations.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Starborn idea
« on: September 15, 2017, 01:14:04 PM »
I was thinking maybe a magical ritual say with 5 people or objects of power, points in time, something like that.

Interesting thought. Is it possible Raith realized what she was trying to do and tried to kill her before she pulled it off? If he had a connection to He Who Walks Behind prior to Blood Rites, it'd be in his interest to prevent a Starborn.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Why Simon?
« on: September 13, 2017, 07:29:37 PM »
There could be another possibility.  Someone else stationed at Archangel is Cowl...  That they betrayed Simon, and aided the Red Court.  When it was said that Simon had defended himself from a Death Curse before, perhaps it was Simon's.  Simon targeted multiple targets, Cowl could have been one of them.

I hadn't considered that. Interesting idea, and perfectly plausible, though narratively it'd be kinda awkward to explain, I think. Imagine Harry uncovering Cowl's identity: "I know how Cowl is. His name is...Steve. Steve Crunderman," and then go on to explain his connection to Simon. It's possible, and it'd be fun to see Harry kind of stumble through an explanation like that.

Here's a question: what was there to know about the Reds that the loss of an expert was really that significant? Everyone knows their main weaknesses; faith magic repels them, sunlight unmasks them, decapitation and blood-bag-stabbin' takes them down. It seems like anything he might know that would be relevant is stuff the Fellowship would, too—locations of Red strongholds, common traits and hunting habits, stuff like that.

Not to speak ill of the fictionally dead, but I think Simon was just padding his resume, like I totally didn't do when I worked as a consultant.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Which absent villian will appear in Peace Talks?
« on: September 13, 2017, 06:15:07 PM »
I'm hoping for something a bit more ... covert.

Gotta remember that Montjoy was there BEFORE the start of the war (iirc).

I think he was down there "researching" the red court, because he, or someone on the council (Simon?) saw something coming.

I thought of Archangel was the sucker punch the Reds used right as they declared war, like Pearl Harbor; the official declaration of war by Japan wasn't delivered from their embassy until the attack was already underway. I could be way off; I can never seem to remember the details of Summer Knight for some reason. They all seem to kind of flow together.

I'd be into another White Council bigwig (or biggishwig) showing some foresight aside from Eb, Rashid, Joe, and Martha.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Which absent villian will appear in Peace Talks?
« on: September 13, 2017, 03:23:06 PM »
Not a villain, but I want to find out what happened to Wizard Montjoy.

He was the one who was down in the Yucatan in Summer Knight, right? A "research trip," if I recall correctly. Which happens to be Chichen Itza's location. I forgot about him until just now. Well, someone had to figure out how to use the leylines and sacrifices to fuel a massive bloodline curse.

Dang it. Jim's making me see Black Council members everywhere.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Hot water
« on: September 13, 2017, 01:14:27 PM »
At one of the recent signings, my son asked Jim about that.  He said it was effectively unlimited in height.  Suggesting that there is no top to the circle.

Interesting. Good question from your son! I'm always keen to get into the mechanics of how stuff works in these kinds of books.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Hot water
« on: September 12, 2017, 07:34:57 PM »
I think the pipes coming out of it would "break" the circle.  Though this would be a question for someone like Bob, or Jim, I suppose.

Maybe. They'd be close enough to the circle to do it, I suppose. To me, that begs the question: Do circles have effective height in the Dresden Files? If it's something absurd, like, I don't know, seven miles, then I'd say it functionally doesn't matter in all but a handful of cases (such as, for example, when fighting a 7.001-mile-jumping-demon). Or is it mostly to do with intent? I think intent would have to have something to do with it, because otherwise tree branches and things a dozen feet off the ground could mess things up. That falls in line with breaking a circle being an act of will, right? So, if Dresden thought that the pipes would break the circle, then they probably would?

I'm in the middle of my umpteenth yearly reread; I really should have this kind of thing down pat by now.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Hot water
« on: September 12, 2017, 06:29:12 PM »
Yes.  However, the effects of heating the water would last until the heat leaked out like normal.  Think of Harry using fire magic. The spell might get grounded out, but the fires that he set with them would continue.

I meant a regular water heater, with no magic. His reasoning for not having one is that there's ambient magic all the time, so why not just put a permanent circle around a standard water heater to keep the ambient magic out, like Butters did with the GPS in Dead Beat?

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DF Spoilers / Re: Hot water
« on: September 12, 2017, 05:54:58 PM »
Wouldn't the water running through the water heater ground out the magic anyway? If he left it on, there's no problem.

Or, you know, get one of those tankless setups. No tank to explode, no potential carbon monoxide, and you can have the thing far away.

Or, why not just install a circle around a water heater?

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But a magical one ... Like I said, once he was cut off from Winter magic, she was able to interact.

I agree. Harry remarks how cold it felt, which is a pretty big sign. I wouldn't be surprised if it was similar to the painkiller effects of the Winter Knight's mantle.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Which absent villian will appear in Peace Talks?
« on: September 12, 2017, 05:38:51 PM »
Mab doesn't seem like the type to write in a provision letting the losers get payback for losing a war they started, with a weapon they created themselves.

Mab, to me, seems much more likely to include language in the Accords to the effect of, "You brought it on yourselves."

I concur that restitution is unlikely.  They could arrive as part of the Fomor party, or they could arrive as survivors that are looking to get some minor Accords protection as they re-establish their Court, conceding that they're done with war and revenge.  Until they're not.

I was thinking more that the Fomor would use the Eebs, as the only surviving members of the Reds, as political levers. Consider what fining the White Council a weregild for each member of the Red Court Harry killed as a result of the curse would cost. Harry did point out that the economic power of the White Council was one of their most effective weapons. This could bankrupt them, even if Harry doesn't personally have to pay for it. Though it would be kind of funny if he had to immediately lose all of the diamonds he just acquired from Skin Game because of a supernatural legal case.

Does Mab actually get the final say? I think she might, but I think the other signatories' opinions might matter. I'm not really disagreeing, I'm just unsure what the arbitration process is for the Accords. Is there a vote? A jury trial, or an opportunity to one? Is Mab essentially the Supreme Court?

Anyway, my overall idea wasn't that the Eebs would press a claim, but that the Fomor, if they had them smuggled out, might use them as witnesses to level charges at Harry, the White Council, and Winter. Think about all of the Reds that (being monsters aside) were minding their own business in Paris or Athens when their hearts exploded out of their chests. Ditto to all of the half-turned ones who died; the same argument for claiming the ladies of the Ordo and the lesser talents as part of the White Council's legitimate interests (which allowed Harry and Ramirez to challenge the whites to a duel) could be made of them, and they never necessarily committed murder. Countless within the Reds' sphere of influence who had absolutely nothing to do with the bloodline curse were killed because of the assault on Buffalo Chicken Pizza.

Super unlikely, sure, but I'm not a lawyer and I could make those arguments, and sympathizers and appeasers like Cristos could sway opinions enough for it to have a real impact. I think it would actually be pretty interesting if that happened, if for no other reason than the Eebs were pathetic excuses for villains, and their affect on global politics in the supernatural community could be way, way out of proportion with their abilities and actual contributions.

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