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DF Spoilers / Re: Anyone else... disappointed? [PT/BG spoilers]
« on: October 14, 2020, 07:51:43 AM »
Eh, I don't think Marcone will actually turn into a bad-bad guy, but rather stay a good-bad guy, as he has for the entire series. Yep, he has a Denarian coin now, but somehow, just by Thorned Namshiel calling Ethniu "Darling", I got the impression that either Marcone got the better of the Denarian somehow or that Thorned Namshiel is one of the more reasonable ones and that they both got an equitable deal. Just my instinctive impression, I could well be totally wrong here.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Elaine: Spoilerific Fun
« on: October 13, 2020, 06:38:42 AM »
Quote from: Basil on October 10, 2020, 01:00:45 AM
I'm afraid that Grey is possibly among the Nemfected now.  I wouldn't trust anyone who has been alone with Justine -- Thomas included -- for any length of time.

Unlikely, Jim has stated multiple times that he'd like to do a new series with Goodman Grey after he finishes the Dresden Files.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Murphy (BG spoilers) (also some thoughts on the book overall)
« on: October 12, 2020, 07:29:01 AM »
Quote from: Arjan on October 06, 2020, 02:00:14 PM
You need a really apocalyptic situation for that  ;D

Do we? I mean, again, fiction. We are putting a lot of weight on a short paragraph of words said by Sigrun Gard, without any real contextual explanations, who is an employee of one Mr. Kringle. She's a pretty straight person, but I'm pretty sure that if she had gotten instructions by her boss, she might have not been 100% truthful.

Not even to mention that there are a ton of work-arounds which could be done. Oh, she comes back as a Valkyrie, which is different from being an Einherjar, golly gee wiz. Oh, her being so catholic and being a former Knight of the Cross makes her a special case. It's easy, it just depends if Jim wants her back or not.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Murphy (BG spoilers) (also some thoughts on the book overall)
« on: October 06, 2020, 06:33:28 AM »
Quote from: Mr. Death on October 03, 2020, 02:58:09 PM
She's dead. Harry can attest, the soul was gone. And -- to anyone's knowledge -- she isn't coming back. Gard ought to be an authority on that subject. Nobody who knew and loved her in life is ever going to see her again. Heck, you could interpret Gard's comments (specifically, that Murphy has "earned her rest") to mean she's not even going to be active and conscious for a while, either.

Again, fictional rules are there to be broken when it's convenient for the story overall. I don't see Jim discarding Murphy that easily.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Mab is grooming Harry to be a new Merlin that restarts the white council.
« on: October 01, 2020, 05:08:47 PM »
IMO, it was pretty blatantly told us to our faces in this book that Mab was basically a good person who gradually had to rationalize most of her altruism away. Although not all... BG was really a good indicator that she has hidden her good side deep down and sometimes lets it out, in the guise of doing something which benefits her.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Murphy (BG spoilers) (also some thoughts on the book overall)
« on: October 01, 2020, 04:53:14 PM »
Quote from: huangjimmy108 on October 01, 2020, 12:41:33 PM
I doubt Murphy would come back anytime soon. Fictional rules indeed are made to be broken and JB is not known to just scrap a Character like Murphy so easily, but I doubt JB would break a new establish fictional rule so quickly either. So I suspect if Murphy is goint to come back, it requires some time, which is why I mentioned before that if the DF series is long enough or if there is a spin off which take place in future timeline or if there is a time skip in the series, Murphy could come back again.

Another possibility, Harry could meet Murphy in the NN. Murphy can't come back to the mortal world, but there is so many place out there in the NN and there is also other universes. Murphy can't come back here, but she could go somewhere else and Harry could go to that place as well.

Yeah, Harry going to Valhalla to meet Murphy would seem to be a thing he'd do. I think it depends if Jim wants to continue to Murphy / Harry relationship. Methinks he probably wants to maximise Harry's suffering for entertainment purposes, so if there is a continuance by Harry and Murphy being able to meet somehow, it will be a very inconvenient way for them both.

But I think it is pretty clear that if he had wanted her gone, she would have gone to the catholic afterlife, not Odin's realm.

Quote from: Mira on October 01, 2020, 01:35:04 PM
Actually I am a bit sorry she was taken to Valhalla, not that she doesn't deserve to go there, but I'd rather she went to work with her father and Uriel.  She had issues with her father, which she laments in Peace Talks and never got to resolve because he took his own life before they were able to.  Then perhaps Harry could get word via Uriel, as much as he will say anyway, that she is happy doing what she is doing, giving Harry some peace.

Murphy's dad was in the "in-between" because he couldn't move on. I would think Murphy's first mission there would be to make her dad go on into the true afterlife, afterwards she'd be gone as well.

Quote from: Mira on October 01, 2020, 01:35:04 PM
No, I don't think Murphy is coming back.  Gard was very clear on that, as in "even the Allfather" cannot over rule that.

Meh. I think that was specifically mentioned to be a rule that will be broken.

Quote from: Griffyn612 on October 01, 2020, 02:42:50 PM
Or the rules change for the Apocalypse, and all cards are on the table, including quarantined einherjarn.  Then she's back for the BAT, riding in top save the day on a winged motorcycle or something.

I think I'd prefer a winged horse in classical fashion, but otherwise this sounds pretty plausible, too.

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DF Spoilers / Murphy (BG spoilers) (also some thoughts on the book overall)
« on: October 01, 2020, 12:22:48 PM »
So, yeah. Down goes Murphy. I am less than happy, although it was predicted, even by myself. At least she brought down a giant before having to go. I would have liked her to stay at least another book, to give Harry at least a full year of a blissful relationship.

She has not come back as a Valkyrie (yet...), but she was taken to Valhalla to be an Einherjarn (despite being catholic and noticeably so in this book). So, that point of objection to her not coming back as a supernatural being is pretty much kaputt.

I personally don't believe that she is really out of the series yet, since Jim doesn't like to discard characters that easily. IMHO, she'll be back, maybe next book, maybe in a few, as an "exception to the rule" (because fictional rules are made to be broken) and either as a straight Valkyrie or as an Einherjarn.

Otherwise than Murphy dying, the book was overall really good and enjoyable and felt much more as a "full book" than Peace Talks did. I think the only real points of objection I have are that Harry didn't have a private talk with Ivy (he can be forgiven, due to having his hands full with a demi-god, but still, man... you haven't really talked to her for years. At least introduce her to Maggy) and that we didn't get a scene of Langtry talking with Harry and having to deal with Harry being the Winter Knight, the Warden of Demonreach, etc.. The White Council is a bunch of dumbasses and Harry really probably is better off without them. I'm very much looking forward to what comes next.

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DF Spoilers / Re: !!!SPOILERS!!! PEACE TALKS !!!SPOILERS!!!
« on: July 20, 2020, 11:40:53 AM »
It didn't really make much sense to me, either, but we gotta take Jim at his word, I'd say.

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DF Spoilers / Re: !!!SPOILERS!!! PEACE TALKS !!!SPOILERS!!!
« on: July 18, 2020, 05:05:36 PM »
Quote from: Mira on July 18, 2020, 04:55:08 PM
They didn't put any limits on his past books..

He was pretty explicit in the interview/Q&A where he announced Battle Grounds, that the original Peace Talks was too big for his publisher and would have been very expensive as books go, so he split the book and expanded both halves of the story.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Christmas Eve and Peace Talks theory (spoilers)
« on: July 18, 2020, 12:43:02 PM »
Quote from: Mira on July 08, 2020, 06:38:38 PM
As Malcolm told Harry, paraphrasing, "everyone dies alone."  We may have family around us, but we walk through that final door solo. 

So, if Christmas Eve does indeed take place after Peace Talks/Battleground and Murphy isn't present, which considering the events that seem to be happening in the chapter five drop, she should be...

So here is what is possibly the reasons why she wasn't;
   
1]  Murphy re-injured herself big time and is in the hospital.
 2]  Murphy made a Faustian bargain to get into the fight, and alienated herself in the process from Harry.
  3]  Harry made a Faustian bargain to cure Murphy and alienated himself from her.
4]  Somehow whoever it is that was trying to frame Harry and Murphy succeeded.  While Harry got
off because of his various connections, Murphy couldn't or may have even take the fall for Harry and is serving 15 years to life in prison for murder.
   5]  Murphy finds out that she will be crippled for life and wants to go through it solo, her way.
    6]  While it is possible she became Summer Knight, I don't see that fact keeping her away at
Christmas.  Don't think Sarissa would demand that of her,  Titania might, but it would have to be really important.
    7]  Murphy was killed.

7a]... and is away on Valkyrie duties.

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DF Spoilers / Re: !!!SPOILERS!!! PEACE TALKS !!!SPOILERS!!!
« on: July 18, 2020, 12:35:36 PM »
I just finished the book. Got it on Thursday and had work and social commitments until today, so I am days late to the discussion. Ugh. Most things already have been recounted, so just a few things:

- The book obviously is incomplete and ended kind of out of nowhere. It's too bad that Jim still is not in the top tier of writers who can just make his publisher bring out a novel at whatever length he decides to (i.e. GRRM).
- Jim kinda went the professional wrestling route of making Ethniu a real threat, i.e. he made one of the top wrestlers job to her, so that she is instantly put over as a threat. I hope he puts some serious character work on her in Battle Grounds, so that there is less of a "villain of the week" feeling to her.
- Obviously things have been left completely hanging with multiple plot threads (i.e. the feds being after Murphy, the council vote). This book really should have just been Peace Talks Part One, the next book doesn't really deserve its own title. It's just the second part of the same book.
- I am very happy with Harry and Murphy, but at this point it seems to me to be pretty obvious that Murphy is going Valkyrie very soon'ish, with Freydis just hovering over her and Harry. Of course I could be reading things I want into the situation, so who knows?
- There were multiple moments where I went "Aaaaah, just stop and talk to the people, Harry!" Ivy, Sarissa, Fix. I really wanted those conversations to happen. And I am quite unhappy that the Merlin hasn't shown up, I really wanted that conversation between Harry and him.

I am overall quite happy with the book, but feel left hanging quite a bit in the middle of a plot. It's only two months, but until we get the next one, it's difficult to really judge this part, because it's one single story.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Chapter 6 Drop
« on: July 08, 2020, 05:24:27 AM »
It's kind of amazing how much tools Jim now has to get Harry into trouble at the start of the book. Compared to the early books, where there was a main threat and maybe one or two side things to complicate things, nowadays the list of things which go wrong (and do go wrong, as seen in these early chapters) seems endless.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Chapter 5 Drop
« on: July 01, 2020, 06:50:02 PM »
Quote from: Mira on July 01, 2020, 02:57:52 PM
  One of the things her fans seem to like the most is that Murphy is a simple vanilla human.  Making her suddenly Summer Knight or an Einherjar kind of goes against that, and her own religion as far as that goes.

See Sanya and Butters how much that matters for supernatural powers. Also, Murphy being catholic hasn't featured for quite some time into her character.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Chapter 5 Drop
« on: July 01, 2020, 11:53:21 AM »
Quote from: Mira on July 01, 2020, 10:41:18 AM
  He has done it before, so who knows?  All I am saying that if she dies and it fits the story line
it is no more disrespectful that when Susan died.  Now I want to know, is he
having unprotected sex yet again? 

I don't think there are any magical wizard cures for Murphy.  LTW's medical degrees are all from
vanilla medical schools if I remember correctly.  Wizards heal more quickly because of their make up not because of any magical medicine.

I don't see the build up for such a "final storyline" for Murphy, though. Susan had a lot of things going on which led to her ultimate act of self-sacrifice. Murphy, at this time, is reconvelascing from her wounds and needs to adapt to her current situation. Her and Harry difnally being able to have a romantic relationship is still building up. I just don't see her character arc making her be someone to be taken out of the story.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Chapter 5 Drop
« on: July 01, 2020, 05:44:06 AM »
Quote from: Mira on July 01, 2020, 12:17:49 AM
Depends on the story line, would it be more disrespectful to kill off Murphy than it was to kill off Susan or even Morgan?  If she dies, it all depends on the context of her death, heroic saving Harry and having a lot to do with saving the world?  Good death..  And sadly characters do outlive their utility and have to move on, and that doesn't mean killing them off.

I mean, just as she and Harry are really getting together? This would be so cliché that I just can't believe Jim would do it. Not to mention his little tweet from a few years ago, where he said that he just wrote Murphy's funeral. There's this little trope where writers troll their audience when they set up the expectation that a cliché would happen and then subvert that expectation. I strongly feel that this is one of those times.

We'll know in two weeks, anyway.

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