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DF Spoilers / Re: Grey Council Identities
« on: November 03, 2018, 04:46:41 AM »
Maz - What is that WOJ? Interesting bit of info. I think if you look at Vampires as a whole, they are all connected a to Outsiders, quite a bit more than your average nasty. Perhaps that is where their origins lie. Certainly strong links were between the Reds and Outsiders, both direct and implied. The White's also have some very strange links, but also both direct and implied.

I think it is no accident that vampires are one of the main villains of the series.

Mavra is not only the only Black Court senior official, she is the only one left from before the destruction of her Court. All the others we have seen have been her progeny.

Not sure if who's statement you are confused by..but if you are referring to mine I will explain. As I see it, I am not saying she is on the Grey Council - alllawyersarewizards said that. But it isn't impossible, just unlikely (especially considering Eb's apparent loathing of them and Drakul). But I do think that Mavra might not be completely controlled by the Outsiders, and she isn't necessarily working with the Circle and/or Black Council (which may be the same), or Cowl for that matter (who definitely is from the Circle, and possibly the Black Council). I think she is being exploited by the Outsiders, just like an angry animal, and they nudge her into helping them directly or indirectly. But I suspect her main purpose is to bring down those that ruined the Black Court and perhaps try and restore it again.

Arjan - Just pick whoever you like. I just wanted a list at the top. I suppose I could make it different groups and force people to pick which 6 they thought were most likely... I will have a look at a few possibilities and see if that helps.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Some exposition I may have missed.
« on: November 03, 2018, 04:34:22 AM »
Thanks Mr Death. I will admit that likely means a set of bones was found, and in all probability was Justin. Even if Justin had a spare skeleton or two lying around I am sure the White Council could tell one from another if they really wanted to. Worth remembering that many on the Council knew who Harry was, and was meant to be before he joined the Council. We still don't know many details apart from the fact he is a "Starborn" whatever that means. So likely the White Council took a special interest in a Starborn breaking the laws.

I do think that it doesn't rule out Justin being active from beyond the grave, post-death if you will. Whether as a Ghost, resurrected human or body switch or some other spooky thing. But it likely rules out him flat out surviving the duel.

In saying all that - a fair few things in those early books had not been ironed out and have been retconned or contradicted since (both large and small details). Hopefully Jim reveals it before the BAT.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Inconsistancy in Skin Game?
« on: November 02, 2018, 04:47:51 AM »
Snark Knight do you know where that interview is about some apparent continuity errors being hints of a deeper clue? I would love to see that. It certainly would be a neat way to fix a few problems.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Rashid the Gatekeeper, Intellectus, Foresight.
« on: November 02, 2018, 04:45:13 AM »
Oh I agree with that. Very unreliable narrator. Sometimes he says stuff which we are to take as fact, some stuff is Harry being "limited" or "just his perspective" etc. But no way to know which is which. Not helped by the fact Jim has retconned and readjusted ideas more than a few times, which is totally his right to do, just makes it hard to follow and theorize lol. Yes partly it is because Jim enjoys torturing us too, but a fair amount is just inconsistency and rejigging.

A perfect example the immortal problem. He basically says you can kill X, but they will reform. Except not most of them. And true killing of them only results in their mantle being transferred or absorbed, which can only be done at certain places in space and time. So the only real way to eradicate an immortal is to kill it at one of those places, and then either absorb the energy or wage a consistent and focused campaign a la the Ventors and wipe them from human memory. Which makes absolutely no sense. Because SO MANY BEINGS existed before humans existed, reality existed for BILLIONS of years without mortals just fine. Why would mortal choice make such an impact?

My only conclusion is Jim is treating the Nevernever like the Immaterium/Realm of Chaos in Warhammer (the idea being that all the emotions and thoughts of mortals have a psychic presence and create gods/monsters/etc). Love JB but sometimes these things really get my goat lol

I agree that the trilogy will reveal a lot about Merlin and how he is connected to it all - but not sure it will be the basis of the whole trilogy. Also pretty sure banefire isn't related to hell/soulfire. It may be magical, but likely he is simply describing a fire that will be a "bane" to the evils in Demonreach. Which as we know, regular old fire is strong enough to hurt and disrupt magical beings and so the banefire would disperse them for a while but then they would reform and end the world. Hell/soulfire seems to be more to do we the nature of power itself than merely fire. Fire is almost a metaphor for what it really is - which is pure energy. The rawest form, from which presumably the Almighty created Reality. Think of it more as the foundation for energy itself.

I think when the Oblivion war is successful those being don't merely go dormant...they are locked outside in Oblivion. They cannot be Real any longer as they are not in Reality. So not really sure it is related to the Sleepers and the beings under Demonreach...which are more like caged prisoners than banished ones. I am not saying it won't make an appearance in the later series, but not in that way I suspect.

If he goes that way though and Harry is TT Merlin and Bonea is the Archive etc it would be interesting. And I think there are enough threads in the series that you could create that story with. Not sure if that is his plans, but he has that door open at any rate.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Vadderung former Gatekeeper.
« on: November 02, 2018, 04:25:57 AM »
Not sure that all of them became Fae, but I certainly think most of the Gods and Spirits helped create/empower them for varying reasons. I have long thought that the purpose of the polytheistic gods (in the DV) is to protect and guide humanity against the monsters. Why monsters and demons exist is another thing but it wouldn't surprise me if the Outsiders have something to do with it.

The Vadderung = former wizard does make a lot of sense. I certainly think he was a wizard before even the predecessors to the White Council, when magic allowed you a lot more leeway.

I have never heard the theory he is Thor upgraded...but it sort of makes sense with his name...I don't know if it fits the series well though. It could be that JB just liked the name enough to ignore some of it's subtleties. Who knows though? It always takes me back to that WOJ that the Being never changes, just how we perceive them. Part of the Free Will thing I'd guess.

My theory is Vadderung takes more direct action than Uriel and provides direct muscle and advice for the fight, while Uriel is restricted and bound to act as a balance to whatever evil does. Vadderung has more freedom to act because he's Mortal, and finds the idea of it awesome as per WOJ.

Yeah I think that is pretty right. I suspect that it is largely to do with the scope of their activities. Vadderung likes to be very hands on, at the micro level (relative to Uriel). Whereas Uriel is focussed on a multi-universe scale conflict. He has to look at the bigger picture, even if he would like not to. In fact he actually has been stepping in a lot more as the series goes on. So much for being the quiet one, we have literally never had any of the others around (that we know of). Minor hint of Raphael and a mention of Michael. Curious.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Grey Council Identities
« on: November 02, 2018, 04:14:47 AM »
I have long thought Mavra was quietly paying back old insults and removing her rivals. She certainly is playing a long game.

Mavra is really interesting to me. I think she is one of the better examples of a theory I have that there are competing villains with their own agendas. Perhaps one group that simply wants unrestrained power - the anarchists. Others that want the end of reality - Outsider backed team. And others still that just desire to rule reality themselves - Hell backed team. But I think they are all intermingled, appearing to work together but actually running games on each other. I think Mavra is more aligned with the Anarchists, which Maggie Le Fay was originally a part of (along with Justin and several others). I think the Outsider team is taking advantage of certain peoples agendas for their own ends.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Some exposition I may have missed.
« on: November 02, 2018, 04:09:15 AM »
Weird it might be - but it isn't strictly speaking Black Magic. There is a loop hole for self-defence, hence the Doom. Not to mention, they never accused him of Black Magic either then or when he burned the Velvet Room. He specifically is in trouble for killing (the first time). And as I said, even if he DID kill Justin, doesn't mean Justin is non-existent or not part of goings on. Doesn't even mean he is dead. I mean he literally pulled the magic research assistant from a Necromancers lair AND didn't tell the council.

Mr Death - could you find that passage? I cannot find it myself...

Soulgazes are measures of truth telling, sure. But they arn't an exact science. Harry could honestly believe he was telling the truth; the Soulgaze doesn't tell you exactly what happened.

Just to correct you there Snark Knight, fire hurts Corporeal Ghosts. Doesn't effect non-corporeal (i.e. sane ghosts). Doesn't hurt a naked soul either, otherwise everyone who burned to death would end up in a state of Oblivion. Don't believe there has been any example of it hurting the non-corporeal. All fire is said to do is have a spiritual element which makes it effective against magic - a cleansing element. But that is Harry's perspective. Never forget the time Harry and Bob came across the runes on the island and realised just how out of their depth they BOTH were.

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DF Spoilers / Madeline Raith and Christos
« on: November 02, 2018, 03:59:07 AM »
I have a very tenuous theory, but it feels right.

When Harry asks Binder who Madeline Raith is working for (in Turn Coat) Binder says he never knew. All he did know was 
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it was some bloke with a lot of money. I never talked to him. When she was on the phone with him, they spoke English. He wasn’t a native speaker. Sounded like he’d learned it from a Continental.

Continental tends to mean Europe. Christos is Greek and described to wear wealthy designer suits underneath his Wizard robe.

Just a thought.

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DF Spoilers / Grey Council Identities
« on: November 01, 2018, 02:11:56 AM »
Hi All -  I know it is only one vote per person but just want to see what people think.

Who are the members of the Grey Council who we have been introduced to?

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“So we found out who 2 of them were, i’d like to know how many of the rest we already know and how many of them haven’t been formally introduced to us yet.”
Hang on, counting… You already know six of the folks who showed up at Chichen Itza, excluding McCoy and Vadderung

We are trying to guess the six we know at Chichen Itza. Which is not to say Luccio, Listens-to-Wind and Carlos are not part of the Grey Council but as they were all supposed to be out of action we are assuming they are not part of the 12 that showed up to Chichen Itza.

I am taking out Eb, Vadderung and Lea as they were all obviously there (though Lea isn't explicitly confirmed, Eb does refer to her as one of "our" - being the Grey Council's Elders).

I have tried to account for a number of options but if I have missed anything just vote "other" and post your nomination and I will add it to the list.

Have at it!

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DF Spoilers / Re: Some exposition I may have missed.
« on: November 01, 2018, 01:46:42 AM »
cptnspldng - I am a bit of a conspiracy theorist here. I don't believe Justin died as it never happened on screen. In fact - Harry so rarely goes into detail about that fight (remembering the ENTIRE SERIES is him talking about his past, it is almost like he is avoiding it on purpose). I have a few reasons why that night is a blur - remember Harry didn't even recollect his encounter with the Walker HWWBH until he was dead and the Leanansidhe showed him. I am of the opinion that:
1. Harry (the narrator) recalls that at the time did not properly remember that fight (even if he thought he did - that's the tricky thing about memory).
2. Harry doesn't recall that fight as it truly was for more than mundane reasons (e.g. PTSD, poor memory recording abilities etc.) but because of interference (perhaps by himself, a time-traveler, some other monster/being or perhaps Justin himself). Never forget that while the binding on his body was one Harry himself had figured out, Justin was getting in his head even then.

Mr Death is correct in that the fight is in two parts (mostly because of inconsistency on JB's part). Part 1 is when he comes home from school and find Elaine being weird on the couch and Justin tries to convince him willingly into the fold, they fight and he uses the force of Justin's spell to smash him out a window and escape. Justin then sends the Walker to kill him (though it is implied and Harry muses that perhaps it was the Walker running the show) and he defeats the Walker - with a mixture of magic fire and gas explosion (which even Dresden later realises should not have worked - especially when you take into account this thing is supposed to be Uriel-level). Harry then goes back angry and duels Justin and is subdued by Elaine's binding. Justin then attempts to perform some strange ritual involving Harry consuming human blood for an unknown purpose, Harry breaks free and then...we only know that Harry uses fire to burn the house down. We have no other information. We never even had a body of either Elaine or Justin. Harry presumes them both dead for many years until Grave Peril where he has a dream where he realises Elaine might be alive. Then she shows up in the next book, a year-ish later. We only have Harry's word that Justin died (which was highly doubted at the time). Justin is Dead in Harry's mind because he wants it that way. Not because it is. See that whole passage about eye witness accounts in the series/remember Harry was just as sure Elaine was dead.

But I am of the opinion that considering how much Jim has said he is dead, he probably isn't. Jim wants to throw us off the scent. Not to mention Jim has said Death is a squishy line in the Dresdenverse. More like a threshold, you can cross and come back. Few do it, but it can be done. Not to mention, we know from the series that once you cross that threshold, you don't just stop existing. You go into the varying levels of the afterlife, beginning at being a spirit/ghost and moving on into the varying Heaven's and Hell's and all the inbetweens. Also Mab has said Death is not black but grey, it is a spectrum not a line. Which makes a lot of sense really.

So even if Justin is dead or has died - that is not to say he has stopped existing or is not involved in events behind the scenes. He may have not died, or he may have resurrected himself, or perhaps he works as a ghost or somesuch. But believe me, he isn't out for the count. He had a plan.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Vadderung former Gatekeeper.
« on: November 01, 2018, 01:16:20 AM »
I have wondered this before. Not so much that Vadderung was Gatekeeper (which does makes sense) but that Vadderung used to have the Eye that the Gatekeeper uses.

There are a few myths about characters losing Eyes. In the Greco-Roman myths Perseus on his way to killing the Gorgons and Medusa encounters "the Grey Ladies", three old woman with one tooth and one eye between them. From that eye, they can see the whole world which Perseus uses to find the location of the Gorgons. Perhaps those three woman are related to or part of the Fates/Mothers? One myth that stands out is the God of the Air and Kings Horus, son of Osiris (God of the Underworld) losing his Eye in battle against the God of the Desert and Chaos, Set (or Seth - depending on your spelling). Could Odin have been Horus? It wouldn't surprise me if Jim ties a few myths together.

A while back there was a few theories on the former Guardians of the Outer Gates. I think the prevailing theory was that Angels were the original Guardians and then it was a few other mythologies (including the Greco-Roman) and then the Norse. What was never really settled is whether the binary system of the fae courts existed i.e. whether it was for example the Jotuns being the Winter Court and the Aesir being the Summer Court OR whether there was no binary split and the Jotuns are the Outsiders and the Aesir were the Fae.

There were excellent arguments both ways - not helped by more than a few contradictions in the text and WOJ. For instance Jim discusses how the Courts were split on purpose and that the Fae were the creation of beings who were losing influence in the world. This would tend to support the idea that there was no split until the Fae.

But there is also in the text how some Fae like the Leanansidhe discuss the how the Formor are cousins of the Jotun. And how the Formor are related to the Fae. Which would tend to suggest that the Jotuns were not Outsiders. Unless you go in for my theory that the Formor have the blood of the outsiders in them, hence being cousins of the Jotun.

But there are further ideas that Mab, Mother Winter and the Winter Court have strong similarities to the Jotuns. It is a complex topic. I do suspect in one form or another something akin to the Mother's has always existed to defend reality (a la the Fates/Norns etc.) But what beings were from them is very very difficult to guess.

I am not saying he was officially the Gatekeeper - though I think it is more likely than not that he once possessed that Eye. And I do believe you are right - I think that he did die for knowledge. Interestingly historians tend to agree that the story of Odin being hung on the tree and dying and being reborn comes after the Christians faith came to Scandinavia and as many cultures did (especially the Vikings) they adopted elements of the Christian faith to connect it to their own. I think this could be significant in the Dresden Files.  I personally am of the opinion that Odin was a mortal wizard who completed a rite of ascension to become a God. But after a while he realised he had to forfeit some of his power to maintain his influence in the world - which likely corresponds to waning of the Norse gods influence and the retreat of the Jotuns and the Norse Gods losing their way. I suspect he had the option to bow out of mortal affairs but chose not to.

Vadderung is a very interesting character. We have never actually confirmed him as Odin, though it is heavily implied and guessed at by Harry. We know he taught the original Merlin - which means he likely influenced the formation of the White Council. We know he has had many identities over the centuries, and he is going by Vadderung this time. And when he gets involved, he goes all in, but that normally means things are about to get really bad. We know he is stockpiling for the apocalypse/Ragnarok and that his children have gone astray. We also know that there is an implied fued between Mab and him and that he wears his Kringle mask in order to keep the peace. We also know that Mab assumed her duties in 1066 - the year of the last great Viking raid, commonly thought of the year the Viking age came to an end. We also know during that time a Starborn was running around, the old Mother Summer died or abdicated, the old Summer Queen took her place, the Summer Lady stepped up to being Summer Queen, and the Winter Queen died, causing Mab to step up. It is speculated this could also have been when the Courts were split. An interesting time for Vadderung. We also know that Uriel considers Vadderung to be in a similar line of work - which is interesting for two reasons. Uriel both preserves and nurtures freedom of choice, we also know that he is Heaven's wetworks man and chief spook. So which field is Vadderung in? My money is on both - especially considering more than once we have had significance around assassins and spooks. So I wonder what Vadderung does in that area? We definitely know he is the protecting freedom game. And of course he is a psychopomp - he guides the souls of the dead to the afterlife. I think a lot of reveals about Vadderung will open up the world of the Dresden Files in a big way.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Rashid the Gatekeeper, Intellectus, Foresight.
« on: October 31, 2018, 11:51:45 PM »
How do you mean Bob is unreliable, morris? I have always thought his theory to be sound. Hell, he has explained more magical theory than most and he even knew how to kill an immortal (which so far very few other mortals know). His literary purpose is somewhat of a "talking head" (hence why he is a talking skull - it was a joke that he made to annoy his writing teacher). I think the only time he has kept info from Harry was about the Kemmler stuff, though he does get shaky around Mab.

Is Thomas unreliable? That is a big question. He frequently has come through for Harry. He does keep him out of the Oblivion War - but that is because it would be completely stupid to include him. At times, he has shown reluctance to help Dresden like after he got tortured. But I would say he has been compromised - like a veteran with PTSD. It happens. But overall he has always been in Dresden's corner.

As for the limp - I mean Jim has literally given his word-for-word reason that the island has a limp. No need to look for another reason - we have the reason. Unless you mean the ice-age cause the buildings to crumble. Maybe the buildings are that old. I think it more likely Jim is referring to what the island was BEFORE it was an island - a mound and before that, a pit. A pit where perhaps someone through a bunch of demons or nasty creatures and built a hill on top. Someone like Raphael "the Demon Binder" perhaps. Which should answer how those prisoners got in there.

I think the Gates wern't always Gates, per se. They resemble Fairy architecture because Fairy control the Gates. They likely resembled something more Nordic when it was the Norse Gods (or Jotuns - depending on your theory). WOJ is that the Gates look like Gates to Harry because that is how he "sees" them - his mind can't process the true reality of them. Likely the truest way to describe them that fits into Jim's mythology is the threshold to Reality (which is why we have all the stuff about invitations, hospitality etc being so important both magically and socially). If the Gates are the threshold to Reality - the natural conclusion is they were built by the Creator (which may or may not be the Almighty/something that resembles it). WOJ is that the Almighty built his Creation and told the Outsiders to stay out and so they did, but he doesn't stop us from letting them in.

Con - you definitely are on to something. I think WOJ is the Gates have an awareness, but it only really amounts to "I AM HERE". Demonreach is vastly more complex in that sense. But I wouldn't be surprised if the Gates/Walls have their own Genius Loci - from which Rashid gets assistance. One could argue even that that might be the Mothers - specifically Winter. Power has purpose after all. The Mothers do have intellectus - which does seem to be shared. Food for thought.

I do suspect the Gatekeeper (like being The Warden or The Merlin) is a mantle. It might not be a big power boost, but likely it comes with the Eye and maybe some other tricks. Who knows what the Merlin mantle comes with, likely knowledge. Remember Jim has said all the Senior Council have their own sources of power, but they keep them secret. The Blackstaff - mostly the staff more than a "mantle" in the magical sense I imagine.
 

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DF Spoilers / Re: Cowl's Identity [FPOTM2 11.2016]
« on: October 29, 2018, 09:02:52 AM »
Despite my above post - having been rereading every Cowl and Kumori scene I do have an alternative theory. This is a little less thought out than my previous one but it sort of bubbled up in my brain.

The other best possibility for the two is Harry and Molly - either TT or more likely I suspect, from another alternate timeline. There are a few connections but the whole thing DonBugen said about how Cowl's physical description is almost non-existent, apart from his clothing. It is almost feels intentional, like JB deliberately trying not to give too many clues away.

Also Cowl's style of talking is eerily similar to Id-Harry's, and Kumori's is similar to Molly's. Especially that conversation that Harry and Kumori have in the stairwell. It is almost familial yet frustrated. What I did notice is how Justin and Elaine speak is not very similar to Cowl and Kumori. Not too far off either, but enough to make me think there is another possibility. Perhaps it just how JB writes, but the way Cowl and Id-Harry speak and interact is calm, measured, focused, logical and highly confident. None of Harry's insecurity, worry, wiseassery, humour, uncomfortableness or self-righteousness and at times almost fanatical/borderline illogical rage. 

If Cowl is Harry a few things might connect. Their magical skill set seems to be very similar. Dark Harry could quite easily be as strong as anyone Harry had encountered previously.

Also Cowl and Kumori don't use wands, staffs or just about any other paraphernalia that wizards use (with the notable exception of Kumori's mesh glove - which may or may not be a magical foci). Harry and Molly currently use them less and less. Cowl also seems perfectly happy to use a gun, which is pretty rare amongst Wizards, especially older ones.

If Cowl is an unnamed/unmet character why has he allowed Dresden to live? Clearly he wants him alive. He could have shot him in the back of the head when he attempted to bind the Erlking in Dead Beat. Most of the Cowl possibilities would have no good reason not to have killed Dresden unless there is an ulterior motive, he is too much of a impediment to Cowl's plans.

Also as someone else pointed out - Molly also uses japanese as her spell words. And of course we all remember the dark-molly possibility in the mirror. 


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DF Spoilers / Re: Cowl's Identity [FPOTM2 11.2016]
« on: October 29, 2018, 08:13:54 AM »
Cowl is Justin and Elaine is Kumori. Here is why I think it adds up.

Cowl:
1. Cowl has appeared in several books - first notable one is Death Masks at the Bianca's ball. He delivers a gift (possibly nemfected) to several guests, but only confirmed through Mab about the Leansidhe. Morgana's Athame is traded for Amoracchius (Excalibur).
2. In Dead Beat Cowl mentions many things of significance happened that night, Dresden is only aware of a few of them. Cowl likely conspired with Mavra and Bianca and her progenitor (Ortega), who's wife Ariana was part of the group that Margaret Le Fey, the White King, and possibly Justin Dumorne were all a part of. A group that might have decided it was time for the White Council to end.
3. A shadowy figure sponsors and is seen in White Knight. Harry seems to recognise his magic as Cowl's. In this book, the Circle is mentioned for the first time.
4. Cowl is an expert at Evocation, Neuromancy, Veils, Ways and Necromancy. He also mentions his skill at swordplay. Why would Cowl have a sword? Most wizards do not carry them. But an ex-Warden would. All his magical skills and talents would make him an excellent warden (excluding the fact he can't use Necromancy).
5. Justin is likely a skilled Neuromancer/Psychomancer - he enthralls Elaine before Harry gets to the confrontation.
6. Justin was in the assault on Kemmler. Cowl says he despised the "mad man" Kemmler, despite being his student. He may well have taken the opportunity to erase his enemy for his own ends.
7. Justin was Simon's apprentice. It is stated in Summer Knight that Simon's fortress was impregnable, and the Warden's forensics suggest that someone let them in past the defences. Eb says it would still have required someone who knew the place inside out. Justin is only discounted on being dead, but otherwise as a rogue Warden and Warlock would have been a candidate, who the Council suspect passed on the knowledge to Harry. Now we know that it wasn't Harry - so it doesn't leave much leeway.
9. Simon is said to have been found dead, along with the brute squad. Whilst it doesn't explicitly state his body was found, it would be a hell of a thing for them not to notice his missing corpse. A whole plot point in the series is built around how intolerable it would be to have a high-level wizard turned to the enemy. A missing Senior Council member might have provoked a stronger reaction.
10. We only have Harry's word that Justin died, and that he fought Justin in earnest. Most people thought is unlikely he beat Justin. Fires in stories tend to be useful covers for other events, a physical symbol of chaos.
11. Jim says Justin is dead. D-E-D dead. He has also said not to trust a word he says. JB has also described death as "a squishy line in the Dresdenverse"
12. Many characters, including Mab, have said Death is a spectrum.
13. Harry believed Elaine was dead. Harry was wrong. If he was wrong about her...
14. From a writing perspective, consider Star Wars (one of Jim's favourite stories). Luke is raised an orphan by others, his lovely aunt and uncle. He then goes on an apprenticeship with a wise old mentor. He is told his father was a Jedi, who his most feared enemy killed. Vader reveals he is Lukes father, which Luke is in denial about but realises must be true. Obi-wan does the fae-speak of half truths (When your father became Vader, he killed Anakin Skywalker). The trope of Harry thinking his foster father and first mentor is dead, who actually isn't would be a good technique and mess with Dresden's psychology majorly.
15. Cowl hides his face, the other Necromancer's do not. Harry suspects White Council. He might be right, but likely that is not the only reason. They even distort their voices. Vader hides his face too - and was a jedi once. Luke just did not know it.
16. Cowl wishes to end Death. Why? The Outsiders might want that, perhaps it would limit the power of TWG. But why would Cowl? Kumori seems to believe him. I suspect it is because he is traumatized by the Death of someone he loved.
17. Justin and Cowl both have links to HWWBH.
18. If Justin is dead, why no Death Curse?
19. Elaine is the most likely candidate for Kumori (I think she might also be the prevailing fan theory - but I will have to check). If Elaine is Kumori most of the other candidates for Cowl don't make much sense. Justin fits better than the others.

Kumori:
1. Kumori is tall enough to hold a knife to Harry's neck - Harry is 6'9" roughly so not an easy feat.
2. Elaine is described as being tall, tall enough she only has to stretch a little to kiss him on the cheek.
3. Elaine is described as being a better at magic than Harry, while Harry is brawnier. She is skillful enough she is not worried about people seeing through her veils.
4. Kumori seems to use less brawn and more subtler magic than Cowl; less of a duelist but still deadly.
5. Kumori is a distinctly japanese name.
6. Elaine uses japanese as her magic words.
7. Kumori shows compassion - she resurrects a dead gunman of Marcone's for apparently no other reason than because she thinks she should.
8. Elaine has shown much compassion for her fellows, whilst still distrusting the institution of the White Council.
9. Elaine was the Emmisary of Summer/Harry's opposite. She says she was part of the Summer Court for a long time. Summer has been involved unusually in the books. Mostly ambivalent or directly in contest with Dresden. Rarely against the foes of Dresden.
10. Kumori and Elaine show compassion for Dresden, but not so much that it impedes their goals. Kumori even goes out of her way to warn him in the stairwell but they end up agreeing to disagree when she tries to convince him to leave.
11. In that same scene, Kumori tells him to remove his force ring. He puts this down to being White Council trained enough to recognise it for what it is. But if Kumori is Elaine, then she simply knows that he has it. Keep in mind, on no other occasion has anyone recognised or been aware of that ring nor do many other wizards/sorcerers use such things. Elaine does however, a product of her shared training with Justin.
12. WOJ is that Kumori's identity will really hurt Dresden. Griffyn's theory relating to the Batman/Catwoman scene, I think it certainly adds flavour even if the scene in the books ends up quite different. I suspect the scene will be a gut punch.

Bit of a wild theory here. I believe Justin was in love with Maggie. They had a relationship and they both felt the White Council was too harsh and too rigid. Maggie and Justin had two children - Elaine and Harry (perhaps twins?). Elaine is older than Harry - he is always referred to as Margaret's youngest. When Maggie was killed by the White Court - Justin was furious. But he could not yet move against them. He finally gets his children back when Malcolm died. He raises them to be his disciples and enforces but it goes wrong and he either dies and is revived or fakes his own death. He finally gets his revenge by "accidentally" murdering half the White Court when his uber-ghouls start murdering everyone. He definitely would want to end Death as he is still grieving Maggie.

From a writing perspective (and fitting nicely with the Star Wars inspiration) - it would be a major shock to discover not only is Justin alive, but he is Cowl and been orchestrating all the terrible stuff in Dresden's life. It would also majorly freak Dresden out that he was in a relationship with his sister, something Justin would have definitely encouraged (like a good cult leader). It also matches the weird Luke-Leia thing. Finally, you might argue Dresden should have recognised Justin's magic. I think he sort of did without realising it. Cowl's magic is human, with a bit of Dark Magic in it - unlike the Mavra or even the Corpsetaker. Harry recognises so is his, which makes sense when you realise he was taught all the basics by Justin/Cowl. I also believe Justin will likely kill Ebenezar while he tries to protect Harry. Very common trope. Harry might find it very hard to be good when he realises his whole life is a lie, he was born to be a weapon, he commited incest (potentially) and that his mother was in on it for a long time. Harry is given power over Outsiders. Yes he uses this as a weapon - but perhaps the real purpose is to be a leader (very Hellboy in my mind).

I did just make a thread about this but it got a bit sidetracked and I also thought the theory should be in the appropriate thread. I also really enjoyed DonBugen's TT theory, excellent write up. It could fit but I think some of the connections were a little fragile and could be accounted for inconsistencies and weakness's in JB's writing. I also think DonBugen's analysis of the Darkhallow was pretty bang on.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Cowl and Kumori are...
« on: October 27, 2018, 08:22:53 AM »
Not in the least,  It's a complex topic and would require more work than I am prepared to expend.  Not to mention most people wouldn't be interested.
Gard mostly uses a battle axe. The original question wasTo which I now answer, because he thinks he needs it.  That and JB likes LARPing with swords. ;)

Very understandable, I would be interested though. Another time then :) I think anyone in the DFU who chooses to carry a sword that is not ceremonial likely needs it - but why Cowl would need it, or choose to use one is more my line of query. I don't think it is a throwaway reason because JB like LARPing - which is true enough but not the main reason Cowl has one. But perhaps not as I say it is all just speculation.

Maz - not so, if you had examples from the text to support your view I would be more inclinded to agree. For instance the passage you quote is thus

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What unicorn?
I gnawed over the question. If it was indeed a statement of importance, not just a passing mutter, then it
had to mean something.
I frowned. It meant that there hadn'tbeen a guardian around the little cottage. Or at least not one Mother
Winter had put there.
So who had?
The answer hit me low in the gut, a sensation of physical sickness coming along with the realization. I
stopped and clawed for my Sight.
I didn't get to it before Grum came out from under a veil, Elaine standing close behind him. He caught
me flat-footed. The ogre drove a sledgehammer fist toward my face. There was a flash of impact, a
sensation of falling, and cool earth beneath my cheek.

Dresden reached for his sight - he missed Grum (Talos) under the veil. It doesn't explicitly state that Elaine was under a veil, and while you could argue it might be implied, he doesn't see through her veil either. She wasn't even under a veil assisting the circle, the only time she might have been is just before Grum whacked him. If it were that easy to see through veils and recognise persons, no one would use them. Dresden might not be very good at veils (though his skill is highly inconsistent throughout the series), doesn't mean others arn't.

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"Why call him Grum?" I said, scowling at the ogre. "You might as well drop the glamour, Lord Marshal.
There's not much point to it now."
The ogre's face twisted with surprise.
I glared spitefully at the dark unicorn and spat, "You too, Korrick."
Both ogre and unicorn glanced at Aurora. The Faerie Queen never took her eyes off me, but nodded.
The ogre's form blurred and twisted, and resolved itself into the form of Talos, the Sidhe lord from
Aurora's penthouse at the Rothchild. His pale hair had been drawn back into a fighting braid, and he
wore close-fit mail of some glittering black metal that made him look rail-thin and deadly.
At the same time the unicorn shook itself and rose up into the hulking form of Korrick, the centaur, also
dressed in mail and bearing weapons of faerie make. He stamped one huge hoof and said nothing.
Aurora walked in a circle around me, frowning. "How long have you known, wizard?"
I shrugged. "Not long. I started getting it on the way out of Mother Winter's cottage. Once I knew
where to start, it wasn't hard to start adding up the numbers.
"

This is the other passage you refer to. Again - he doesn't "see through" anyone's veil. He used deductive reasoning to figure out who they were. But only after the fact mind you, with some special help from Mother Winter's hint. If he were so good normally, why did he only figure it out when they were all together. Bearing in mind he had not seen Grum, the Unicorn and Auror all together (he had seen them unveiled on the Rothschild tower - but he hadn't yet put it together).

As for uber-veils...you are correct in saying that if Cowl and Kumori could do them they wouldn't need physical disguises and that it is implausible and quite impractical to power and use such a veil for a mortal. However I never said they could or would. I was discussing the possibility of hiding their voices and their magic. They don't need to hide their faces or body shapes, the clothes do that well enough. As for smell - you wouldn't even need a spell. Easy enough to use more mundane methods like perfumes. Harry himself even makes a potion if I recall for himself or Susan to make him vaguely odorless. As for their behavior (speech patterns and idioms, walking style etc) I don't think they would need magic to influence that. They haven't spoken a great deal to him anyway, but after many years Dresden might not recall every intricacy of their behaviour. Not to mention if they were actively trying to conceal such things from him - any actor or spy worth their salt could do that.

Yes time will tell, it always does. But I don't think Dresden's deductive abilities actively disprove my theory. Unless you have a better example of him recognising someone or thing in the series who was actively disguising themselves from him - without him using the Sight.

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