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Thomas
LordDresden2:
--- Quote from: Talby16 on May 25, 2025, 03:44:03 AM ---To answer the question of if Thomas can be separated from the Hunger Demon we have to understand what the Demon is. To my knowledge the author has never full stated what it is or how it develops (other than it lies dormant until the first sexual encounter). Is it some form of spirit? Is it part of the mind? Is it some part of Thomas' actual physical form? I think its nature would determine if/how it can be removed and how much of Thomas is left over when it is gone.
I do not think the Sword of Faith would work. Its power on mortals is diminished. In Peace Talks they discuss the sword and how it would only work on true evil and Michael/Harry state that you would have to be absolute to qualify as evil and thus able to be impacted by the sword.
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More to the point, would Uriel be allowed to cure Thomas?
I have no doubt Uriel has the power to separate Thomas and his parasite. I'm pretty sure Uriel is the most powerful entity Harry has ever encountered, with the possible exception of Ferro or both Mothers together, and I would bet against Ferro and the Mothers in that comparison.
But Uriel is bound by a whole bunch of rules about what he is and isn't allowed to do.
Also, I'm not sure if Uriel could separate the parasite and Thomas without turning Thomas into someone else. It comes back to the question of how much of Thomas comes from the human and how much from the presence of the parasite.
Mira:
--- Quote ---More to the point, would Uriel be allowed to cure Thomas?
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Exactly, that is the question for all eternity for archangels.
--- Quote ---Also, I'm not sure if Uriel could separate the parasite and Thomas without turning Thomas into someone else. It comes back to the question of how much of Thomas comes from the human and how much from the presence of the parasite.
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I think the answer is both simple and complicated at the same time. Uriel is all about free will, he might be able to blow away an entire galaxy if he wanted to.. However he cannot because he is under orders not to unless ordered to by his Boss. Archangels don't have free will to act, that's why one of his fellows by the name of Lucifer now resides in Hell, he thought he had free will and fought for it. So yes, I think if he wanted to, Uriel could get rid of the Hunger Demon, but he isn't free to act on his own. It's like in Changes when he agreed with Harry that he could fix his broken back, but there are rules for doing that, and Harry didn't qualify under the set of rules. However since a fallen angel influenced Harry's free will, Uriel was able to step in. Back to free will, as we know the Hunger Demon cannot take root until the young would be vampire chooses to have sex, feeds during that sex until death of the victim.. Lots of compulsions there and teenage hormones, but it still comes down to choices. We know that true love will burn out the Hunger Demon, which was the hope Thomas and Lara had for their little sister Inara. However I don't think there is any information on whether celibacy past a certain age eventually kills the demon/parasite. Celibacy is a life choice that Thomas didn't make, however in his case there might be some loop holes as far as free will goes. Lord Raith did set his son up like he did all his children to end up having sex once puberty sets in knowing that in most cases it will be until death, from then on the Hunger Demon/parasite takes over. We know that Lara has said that she is happy being what she is, she wouldn't chose anything else, she accepts it. However while he did go through a time when Thomas almost starved himself when he was living with Harry, and Harry saw that struggle in the soul gaze, have we ever heard Thomas say if he had it to do over he'd choose to be a vanilla human? Interesting that both he and Lara wanted their little sister, Inara to understand and have that choice. Lara says she wouldn't change a thing, Thomas isn't quite so clear..
So could Uriel do away with the Hunger Demon/parasite? Absolutely.. Can Uriel do away with the Hunger Demon/parasite under the rules governing archangels? Probably not.. Is there a possible loop hole here? I think so, but it is complicated..
Tinfoil hat:
--- Quote from: Talby16 on May 25, 2025, 03:44:03 AM ---To answer the question of
--- Quote from: Talby16 on May 25, 2025, 03:44:03 AM ---To answer the question of if Thomas can be separated from the Hunger Demon we have to understand what the Demon is. To my knowledge the author has never full stated what it is or how it develops (other than it lies dormant until the first sexual encounter). Is it some form To my knowledge the author has never full stated what it is or how it develops (other than it lies dormant until the first sexual encounter). Is it some form of spirit? Is it part of the mind? Is it some part of Thomas' actual physical form? I think its nature would determine if/how it can be removed.
Also also, the demon or parasite is part of Thomas. Im not sure you can remove it and the character that remains would still be thomas. Its part of everything he does one way or another. Does the demon have any influence on his thought proces. Or is it just constantly there in the background. Is like Lash or is it a part of Thomas's mind. Where is the line between thomas and the demln
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Talby16:
--- Quote from: Tinfoil hat on May 28, 2025, 06:36:48 AM ---Im not sure you can remove it and the character that remains would still be thomas. Its part of everything he does one way or another. Does the demon have any influence on his thought proces. Or is it just constantly there in the background. Is like Lash or is it a part of Thomas's mind. Where is the line between thomas and the demln
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If you go by the soul gaze Harry and Thomas had, there is some connection between Thomas and Harry. In the soul gaze their arms are connected with their fingers/claws digging into each others forearms. To me this suggests that there will be some loss in trying to separate them. The question is what and how much of Thomas will be removed with the parasite.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Talby16 on May 28, 2025, 12:21:44 PM ---If you go by the soul gaze Harry and Thomas had, there is some connection between Thomas and Harry. In the soul gaze their arms are connected with their fingers/claws digging into each others forearms. To me this suggests that there will be some loss in trying to separate them. The question is what and how much of Thomas will be removed with the parasite.
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I see that soul gaze struggle between Thomas and himself as a struggle for his soul. His vanilla human half struggling to remain human and his demon wanting to take over.. I think all of human Thomas will remain if the demon is removed, but we saw that image also in the soul gaze. A slight human with glasses, physically more like Butters than the physical hunk he has been all of his life. The question then becomes, can Thomas deal with being a mere ordinary vanilla human?
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