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Thomas
Talby16:
To answer the question of if Thomas can be separated from the Hunger Demon we have to understand what the Demon is. To my knowledge the author has never full stated what it is or how it develops (other than it lies dormant until the first sexual encounter). Is it some form of spirit? Is it part of the mind? Is it some part of Thomas' actual physical form? I think its nature would determine if/how it can be removed and how much of Thomas is left over when it is gone.
--- Quote from: EBRIEN on May 19, 2025, 08:19:33 PM ---I think it's been awhile, but I vaguely remember a discussion about what happens to Thomas. Can't remember exactly, but there's a moment in Harry's discussing the swords in Changes (again--rereading) and I've concluded that Amoracchius will banish his demon and leave him fully human. And then, he'll take up the sword. Or by taking up the sword of Love, he'll be able to keep his demon at bay.
I don't know---some combo of that. I'll go back and find what triggered it for me, but I'm sure I'm not the only one. Maybe Butters slices away the evil and leaves him fully human...???
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I do not think the Sword of Faith would work. Its power on mortals is diminished. In Peace Talks they discuss the sword and how it would only work on true evil and Michael/Harry state that you would have to be absolute to qualify as evil and thus able to be impacted by the sword.
Mira:
--- Quote ---I do not think the Sword of Faith would work. Its power on mortals is diminished. In Peace Talks they discuss the sword and how it would only work on true evil and Michael/Harry state that you would have to be absolute to qualify as evil and thus able to be impacted by the sword.
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Which is very weird since Susan in Death Masks was unable to touch the Sword of Faith, yet in Changes she could wield the Sword of Love. Yeah, I understand it was out of love to save her daughter, but the other time she was helping Harry escape Nic and he merely asked her to hold it for him while he tried to climb a ladder out if I remember correctly and he was too weak to carry Sword and climb. Evil is evil, so in the first case her vamp half qualified as evil, but in the second case it didn't or was overlooked?
Tinfoil hat:
--- Quote from: Mira on May 25, 2025, 01:23:52 PM ---Which is very weird since Susan in Death Masks was unable to touch the Sword of Faith, yet in Changes she could wield the Sword of Love. Yeah, I understand it was out of love to save her daughter, but the other time she was helping Harry escape Nic and he merely asked her to hold it for him while he tried to climb a ladder out if I remember correctly and he was too weak to carry Sword and climb. Evil is evil, so in the first case her vamp half qualified as evil, but in the second case it didn't or was overlooked?
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In the second case harry was now the Keeper of the swords Chosen by Uriel to keep them, and use them if he saw fit. Susan and Murphy were one time exceptions. Susan's love was apparently enough for the angel to overlook the evil inside her. If she tried to use the sword for anything but protecting her daughter and saving her it would have rejected her. On the first case harry was not the sword Keeper he was just some guy.
Dina:
I am convinced that the fact that Butters sword can kill the evil but not normal humans was introduced so we can get rid of the vampire in Thomas. But of course, I may be wrong.
Talby16:
--- Quote from: Mira on May 25, 2025, 01:23:52 PM ---Which is very weird since Susan in Death Masks was unable to touch the Sword of Faith, yet in Changes she could wield the Sword of Love. Yeah, I understand it was out of love to save her daughter, but the other time she was helping Harry escape Nic and he merely asked her to hold it for him while he tried to climb a ladder out if I remember correctly and he was too weak to carry Sword and climb. Evil is evil, so in the first case her vamp half qualified as evil, but in the second case it didn't or was overlooked?
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--- Quote from: Tinfoil hat on May 25, 2025, 06:08:11 PM ---In the second case harry was now the Keeper of the swords Chosen by Uriel to keep them, and use them if he saw fit. Susan and Murphy were one time exceptions. Susan's love was apparently enough for the angel to overlook the evil inside her. If she tried to use the sword for anything but protecting her daughter and saving her it would have rejected her. On the first case harry was not the sword Keeper he was just some guy.
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There is a slight difference between those occasions and what we see/learn in Peace Talks. The Sword of Faith has been transformed by its destruction and then reforming by Butters. It is more black and white now since it is now a more pure expression instead of a physical sword.
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