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RNT Episode 6: What Changes (Mentally) When a Person Goes Full Red Court?
g33k:
--- Quote from: Bridger on April 25, 2025, 08:45:04 PM --- ... It is mentioned in Changes that a ton of politicians and business leaders all died/disappeared at the same time the red court died.
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--- Quote from: Mira on April 26, 2025, 11:55:17 AM --- I don't remember that...
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Nevertheless, it's so.
It's in the chapter immediately following the one where Susan dies; Harry talks about the fallout from the destruction of the entire Red Court; so, not in-the-moment stuff or stuff Harry personally saw/experienced; but Harry telling us about things that he heard of, broadly.
Mira:
--- Quote ---It's in the chapter immediately following the one where Susan dies; Harry talks about the fallout from the destruction of the entire Red Court; so, not in-the-moment stuff or stuff Harry personally saw/experienced; but Harry telling us about things that he heard of, broadly.
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That doesn't mean anything as far as something "human" remaining in the fully turned. Bianca the main example we have was full
RCV, nothing human about her, but she appeared human to the eye and could be very charming, so could others in the world, but that doesn't mean that anything human remained of them...
LordDresden2:
--- Quote from: Bridger on April 16, 2025, 12:01:37 PM ---This question will be discussed on the next episode of Recorded Neutral Territory, with the most insightful answers being featured on the show. More information at the bottom of this post.
So we know that fully turning into a Red Court Vampire comes with clear and obvious physical changes (you're not a leathery bat-thing that can pretend to be human), but what, exactly, are the mental changes?
Butcher's world seems to imply that RC Vampires are automatically evil when they fully change. What changes cause this? Is it possible that a small number of them managed to hang on to their humanity somehow? Like "Angel" from Buffy the Vampire Slayer?
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I doubt it...wait, no.
We've seen that Red-Ortega retained some of real Ortega's adoration of Arianna. But like Mira, I still think a full Red Vampire is not the person who existed before. I think that person dies in the transformation.
But the brain is still there, still full of information and data and habits and skills. It's just that the soul that once used them has departed, and been replaced by this thing from the Nevernever. So a Red Vampire might retain most or all of the knowledge, some of the habits, but like a Black Vampire, it's still a different entity from victim it replaced.
The White Vampires are different, the original human soul is still there, grafted on to the parasite.
That's why, among other things, WVs produce techbane when they use magic, and Red Vampires don't.
g33k:
--- Quote from: LordDresden2 on April 30, 2025, 02:45:42 AM --- ... We've seen that Red-Ortega retained some of real Ortega's adoration of Arianna ...
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This is an excellent point!
Tho I do notice this accounting of the situation is 2nd-hand, so it may be misunderstood (or even active disinformation by the Rampires).
But I think you've cited a valid point.
--- Quote from: LordDresden2 on April 30, 2025, 02:45:42 AM --- ... White Vampires are different, the original human soul is still there, grafted on to the parasite...
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I think we have to say the parasite is grafted onto the human... ;)
--- Quote from: LordDresden2 on April 30, 2025, 02:45:42 AM --- ... That's why, among other things, WVs produce techbane when they use magic, and Red Vampires don't.
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Do they?
I don't recall this.
Mira:
--- Quote ---Tho I do notice this accounting of the situation is 2nd-hand, so it may be misunderstood (or even active disinformation by the Rampires).
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Affection isn't exclusively a human trait, those of us who have loving pets can tell you that.
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