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RNT Episode 6: What Changes (Mentally) When a Person Goes Full Red Court?
Bridger:
This question will be discussed on the next episode of Recorded Neutral Territory, with the most insightful answers being featured on the show. More information at the bottom of this post.
So we know that fully turning into a Red Court Vampire comes with clear and obvious physical changes (you're not a leathery bat-thing that can pretend to be human), but what, exactly, are the mental changes?
Butcher's world seems to imply that RC Vampires are automatically evil when they fully change. What changes cause this? Is it possible that a small number of them managed to hang on to their humanity somehow? Like "Angel" from Buffy the Vampire Slayer?
Recorded Neutral Territory is a chapter-by-chapter re-read podcast for the Dresden Files. Episode 5 (released today), discusses chapters 8 and 9 of Storm Front along with a question: Is the Doom of Damocles the best option available?
Mira:
--- Quote from: Bridger on April 16, 2025, 12:01:37 PM ---This question will be discussed on the next episode of Recorded Neutral Territory, with the most insightful answers being featured on the show. More information at the bottom of this post.
So we know that fully turning into a Red Court Vampire comes with clear and obvious physical changes (you're not a leathery bat-thing that can pretend to be human), but what, exactly, are the mental changes?
Butcher's world seems to imply that RC Vampires are automatically evil when they fully change. What changes cause this? Is it possible that a small number of them managed to hang on to their humanity somehow? Like "Angel" from Buffy the Vampire Slayer?
Recorded Neutral Territory is a chapter-by-chapter re-read podcast for the Dresden Files. Episode 5 (released today), discusses chapters 8 and 9 of Storm Front along with a question: Is the Doom of Damocles the best option available?
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Because it's a chemical change to the whole body, that includes the brain... A Red Court Vamp brain is no longer a "vanilla human brain."
peterwiggin94:
The person is changed from a human into something that eats humans. It does bring up a difficult question about whether we can call a different species "evil" for going along with its nature but humans aren't going to like it.
Bridger:
--- Quote from: peterwiggin94 on April 17, 2025, 01:11:55 PM ---The person is changed from a human into something that eats humans. It does bring up a difficult question about whether we can call a different species "evil" for going along with its nature but humans aren't going to like it.
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If it was a completely different person/personality then it would be pretty cut and dried. However, it's clear that there is some part of the old human left inside the Red Court vamp. The human's memories merge with the new monster/demon that takes over the body. So I guess what I'm wondering is: how much is left? Is it only knowledge/information? Or is there some semblance of actual personality left, even if the compassion/empathy is gone?
Mira:
--- Quote ---If it was a completely different person/personality then it would be pretty cut and dried. However, it's clear that there is some part of the old human left inside the Red Court vamp. The human's memories merge with the new monster/demon that takes over the body. So I guess what I'm wondering is: how much is left? Is it only knowledge/information? Or is there some semblance of actual personality left, even if the compassion/empathy is gone?
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When has that been clear? Once the change is complete, there is no evidence that any trace of the former human remains.. When Susan's transformation was complete, she was the youngest Red Court Vamp, no human traces... If there was anything left human of her at all, killing her wouldn't have done in the entire RC because of the way that spell was designed.
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