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How did Vadderrung miss the Fomor’s alliance with the Titan?
SerScot:
@g33k
--- Quote ---Yes; but the "Norse Pantheon" has no particular supremacy over any others; and thus Odin might be supreme in his hidden-knowledge vs. other Norse deities, he wouldn't have the same advantage vs. the Celtic pantheon (from which Ethniu derives).
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Vadderung knows all about Uriel and his team at Michael’s house… that’s way outside of his pantheon’s perview…
g33k:
--- Quote from: Avernite on March 23, 2025, 01:02:23 PM --- Of course they say so, but it seems in Ghost Story/Changes Mab has some power over the cold and dark of the deeps...
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Well, to be fair:
a/ "cold" and "dark" are pretty Queen-of-Winter sorts of things, after all!
b/ that scene at the end of Changes was the culmination of Mab's gambit to gain her new Knight. I expect she handled it personally... and likely she had some of her other heavy hitters on-hand in case any other powers wanted to intervene.
c/ we've seen that Demonreach has scope as far as the edges of the lake.
So, as Harry was aboard the Water Beetle, considering his upcoming date with Murphy: Mab (and likely other Winter heavyweights) were there, and maybe even Demonreach.
And I don't think the Fomor had any motivation to be active at that specific harbor, on that specific day; I don't think they (and/or their allies) were tracking Harry very closely, at that point in time.
I don't think she has the kind of sovereignty under water that she has above. One of her titles is "Queen of Air and Darkness," which pretty explicitly leaves out the underwater realm. But she's still terribly-powerful, and entirely capable of conducting a brief mission outside the strict "Winter" domain, particularly in (winter-friendly) "cold and dark."
But... does she have the kind of power needed for sustained surveillance under the water, with Corb & the other Fomor against her, and even Ethniu? To spot patterns? Does she know all the underseas Ways? Did she even want to go (or (previously) see reason to go) sniffing into the areas where the Fomor were forced, millenia ago? I suspect the answer to all is, "no."
So yeah: Mab, moving in power & with backup on-hand, opposed by maybe (but probably not even) a random scout, or whatever? Sure, that happened & makes sense... Without it implying Mab having any her usual one-step-ahead (or several srwps, for that matter) foresightedness.
--- Quote from: Avernite on March 23, 2025, 01:02:23 PM --- ... So I suspect the Fomor have the home field advantage, but various powers did know SOMETHING was up with the Fomor. They just didn't know what...
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In addition to their "home field advantage" under water, the Fomor had another advantage: everyone already knew they were "making a move." They were taking advantage of the power-vacuum and WC weakness &c to make a bid to become more active in the world.
So troop-movements &c might be "expected" from them.
But a direct challenge to all the Accorded powers at once? Making a simultaneous power-play against Mab and Odin and Ferrovax??!?
Who TF does that?
g33k:
--- Quote from: SerScot on March 24, 2025, 01:43:09 PM ---@g33k
Vadderung knows all about Uriel and his team at Michael’s house… that’s way outside of his pantheon’s perview…
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Anyone Sighted could look at them; Goodman Grey did.
I expect many powers knew of them... and put it off their list as "do not f--k around, do not find out."
TrueMonk:
The water is also extra troublesome because of how it disperses magic. Odin and others use magic quite a lot.
Then I guess almost everyone intelligent suspected treachery of some sort, but the kill Chicago was just out of the realm of likelihood.
Perhaps he did not about the bronze armor thing. I guess without it they could just have killed her if she did something so direct.
Mira:
--- Quote from: TrueMonk on March 30, 2025, 09:24:36 PM ---The water is also extra troublesome because of how it disperses magic. Odin and others use magic quite a lot.
Then I guess almost everyone intelligent suspected treachery of some sort, but the kill Chicago was just out of the realm of likelihood.
Perhaps he did not about the bronze armor thing. I guess without it they could just have killed her if she did something so direct.
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I seem to remember early on, that water causes all kinds of trouble for magic.. I seem to remember that rain helped save Harry and Susan's ass from the frog demon in Storm Front. So could Mab have spies in the depths to keep track of the Fomor? Perhaps, then again even she might have limits on the extent of her power.. Consider the Polar Ice Cap, yes, the surface is frozen, but the ice only goes so far.. You can take a submarine under it..
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