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How did Vadderrung miss the Fomor’s alliance with the Titan?
Mira:
--- Quote from: SerScot on March 22, 2025, 06:32:26 PM ---I just finished a re-read of Peace Talks. Vadderrung was surprised.
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However no more than Ferrofax.. Then again, they may have been aware of her alliance with the Fomor, but since up until that moment they had no quarrel with her. She tells them openly her beef was with the mortals, not either Vadderrung or Ferrofax.
g33k:
--- Quote from: SerScot on March 21, 2025, 11:35:43 PM --- ... That’s one of the things he originally sacrificed his eye to gain… access… to knowledge actively concealed.
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Yes; but the "Norse Pantheon" has no particular supremacy over any others; and thus Odin might be supreme in his hidden-knowledge vs. other Norse deities, he wouldn't have the same advantage vs. the Celtic pantheon (from which Ethniu derives).
Fundamentally, though: Ethniu always was allied with the Fomor. Balor (her father, whose Eye she carried as a weapon) was one of the war-leaders of the Fomor.
--- Quote from: SerScot on March 21, 2025, 11:35:43 PM --- … but complete tactical and strategic surprise? It’s very difficult to believe that old one eye had no idea the Fomor Peace Conference was a complete ruise ...
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This is a reasonable question. Large-scale military movements "should" not be hard to detect... OTOH, we're not dealing with a RL army & RL logistics: I'm sure they could stage a huge army in their heartlands, then open a Way down on the lakebed, and march (swim) in thousands per hour...
I also go back to the "undersea" thing. I'm unclear how much Odin's power extends down there; offhand, I recall no Norse lore saying he had any adventures or conquests there. In the Norse myth-cycles, the "Vanir" were a peer/rival group to the Aesir with whom they eventually made peace; it was the Vanir king Njord who was the "Lord of the Oceans and Winds."
And similarly, the Fomor were associated with the underseas.
So their foreignness (combined with undersea supremacy) might have been enough to keep the secret even from Odin.
Mira:
--- Quote ---And similarly, the Fomor were associated with the underseas.
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And that is mentioned at the end of Peace Talks when Vadderrung and Company try to devise a defense strategy for Chicago. That the Fomor reign supreme under water and none of the powers at the Peace Talks has much knowledge and no influence there. So in that sense it is easy to see why they would be totally hoodwinked by the Fomor.
Avernite:
--- Quote from: Mira on March 23, 2025, 01:25:16 AM --- And that is mentioned at the end of Peace Talks when Vadderrung and Company try to devise a defense strategy for Chicago. That the Fomor reign supreme under water and none of the powers at the Peace Talks has much knowledge and no influence there. So in that sense it is easy to see why they would be totally hoodwinked by the Fomor.
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Of course they say so, but it seems in Ghost Story/Changes Mab has some power over the cold and dark of the deeps.
So I suspect the Fomor have the home field advantage, but various powers did know SOMETHING was up with the Fomor. They just didn't know what. And as per Skin Game, sufficiently powerful beings can provide serious magic screening to prevent even Angels-of-espionage looking in. Presumably Ethniu is on the level where she can do that too, to depowered Deities-of-espionage.
Mira:
--- Quote ---Of course they say so, but it seems in Ghost Story/Changes Mab has some power over the cold and dark of the deeps.
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I don't think she had power over the cold or dark of the deep. What Mab did anticipate was Harry's attempted suicide, she or Uriel may have had some control over the slight breeze that may have altered the bullet a few millimeters so when it hit Harry's heart it didn't cause instant death. And somehow arranged or got lucky because Harry fell into the already near freezing water of the lake, and was waiting for him in anticipation. The cold of the water slowed things down and kept Harry's brain from dying from lack of oxygen and blood circulation.. Yup she can make ice, so could Harry as he has demonstrated.. That isn't the same as having direct knowledge of what Fomor do in the depths which is their kingdom.
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