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so ... soulgaze? the Sight?
Mira:
--- Quote from: Dina on December 19, 2024, 12:20:19 AM ---No, I am sorry, I meant that Harry was convinced that Susan saw something horrible in him.
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He may have been..
LordDresden2:
--- Quote from: Mira on December 18, 2024, 12:02:02 PM ---I don't think Harry saw anything horrible in Susan. Actually he never has mentioned what he saw in their soul gaze. I also think at that point in time Harry was so lonely and in need of whatever kind of love he could get, he failed to see the extent of Susan's ambition and where it could lead to
I don't think she understood a lick of it, I don't know if it was what she saw that made her faint, or shock from the fact that such a thing was possible made her faint. Yet for all of that, deep down it was her own denial that such things were real and dangerous that led to her downfall.
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Exactly. She might have fainted precisely because the reality of the stuff she wanted to be true was more than she was prepared to cope with.
I disagree that the soulgazes are all that subjective. What JB said was that the form of the truth they show you varies, but what they show is always true. I suspect any Wizard soulgazing the Korean boy would get the same basic signal, in whatever form. There just wasn't much else left there except the evil.
A judgement call might exist with a subject who isn't all the way gone. But I doubt it was an issue with the Korean boy.
Mira:
--- Quote ---A judgement call might exist with a subject who isn't all the way gone. But I doubt it was an issue with the Korean boy.
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I don't disagree here because supposedly the Korean kid was too far gone down the path.. However there was never another point of view based on a soul gaze either. I think it can cut both ways, what Harry saw in his soul gaze with Molly is prime example of that, he saw that she had the potential to be good and just as much to be very evil indeed. I know he was the only one willing to take the Doom with her, but I don't think Harry was the right wizard to do that, Molly needed a more experienced wizard and one less prejudiced in her favor.
LordDresden2:
--- Quote from: Mira on January 06, 2025, 03:28:08 PM ---I don't disagree here because supposedly the Korean kid was too far gone down the path.. However there was never another point of view based on a soul gaze either. I think it can cut both ways, what Harry saw in his soul gaze with Molly is prime example of that, he saw that she had the potential to be good and just as much to be very evil indeed. I know he was the only one willing to take the Doom with her, but I don't think Harry was the right wizard to do that, Molly needed a more experienced wizard and one less prejudiced in her favor.
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I agree, but lots of people need lots of things that aren't available.
I started a thread a little bit ago about how perceptions of the story change with age. One thing I've learned with age is 'the best you can do is the best you can do'. Harry was not the ideal master for Molly (ideally, she would have had a more neutral and much older and more experienced Wizard as master, one she didn't have the hots for as well). But...Harry was the best she was actually going to get.
Overall, he did a pretty good job.
Mira:
--- Quote from: LordDresden2 on January 06, 2025, 05:34:45 PM ---I agree, but lots of people need lots of things that aren't available.
I started a thread a little bit ago about how perceptions of the story change with age. One thing I've learned with age is 'the best you can do is the best you can do'. Harry was not the ideal master for Molly (ideally, she would have had a more neutral and much older and more experienced Wizard as master, one she didn't have the hots for as well). But...Harry was the best she was actually going to get.
Overall, he did a pretty good job.
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Yes and no, training her I think he did do the best that he could.. However perhaps the mistake he made was in the soul gaze itself? Because all during her apprenticeship with Harry, it wasn't that he was too soft on her in spite of what Lea claimed, but in my opinion he never was able to get her past the temptation to use the dark side of her talent and risk both their heads if she felt that necessary. Actually I think that was a lesson she learned observing Harry doing long before she even thought about using her talent in her misguided attempt to help her friends. I think that's what Mab was getting at at the end of Cold Days, when she turned the tables and told Harry that it was his example all along that sent Molly down the road to where she finally ended up, not any training by Lea or herself.
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