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Warden of Demonreach: Dragoncon lore-dump or retcon??!?
vincentric:
The Denarians definitely know the secret of the island. But I don't think they can use it themselves because "No Denarians" would be on Alfred's checklist of those qualified for being Warden. Plus, Nic thinks his plan will save the world, I'd doubt that would include many of the inmates as most of them don't seem to be the follower type.
Mira:
--- Quote from: vincentric on September 25, 2024, 06:29:40 AM ---The Denarians definitely know the secret of the island. But I don't think they can use it themselves because "No Denarians" would be on Alfred's checklist of those qualified for being Warden. Plus, Nic thinks his plan will save the world, I'd doubt that would include many of the inmates as most of them don't seem to be the follower type.
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I still wonder though, because you'd think the Denarians would make use of some of the inmates if they could break them out.
vincentric:
--- Quote from: Mira on September 25, 2024, 10:45:30 AM --- I still wonder though, because you'd think the Denarians would make use of some of the inmates if they could break them out.
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The Denarians don't have a viable path to controlling the Warden, so their only option is to break them all out. I don't think that would jibe with their plans.
EBRIEN:
On that same note, could the coins be imprisoned on the island? (You may've already discussed--I've been in and out of discussions lately)
Thanks--B
KurtinStGeorge:
--- Quote from: EBRIEN on September 25, 2024, 08:29:58 PM ---On that same note, could the coins be imprisoned on the island? (You may've already discussed--I've been in and out of discussions lately)
Thanks--B
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In Skin Game Lasciel told Harry that the coins weren't meant to be "locked up" very long. I forget her exact language. It was something about how corruption can't be kept hidden. I suspect the same applies to Demonreach as the Church keeping the coins in hiding.
Also, it is possible that whatever rules Demonreach operates under might make it impossible for the island to hold the coins. Maybe it could hold Nicodemus or another denarian but the coin might not be able to enter the vault with the coin holder. I'm just speculating, but I wouldn't be surprised if this or some other mechanism prevents the island from imprisoning the coins.
--- Quote from: vincentric on September 24, 2024, 06:54:53 PM ---The real issue is the lack of surveillance at any time before or after Harry became the Warden. If you're going to suspect whoever takes control of the island, maybe you should be watching so you know if someone's making an attempt and who they might be.
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I think there are a couple of problems with this idea. First, the island doesn't like visitors and there isn't a practical way to keep an eye on the island other than being there.
I suspect the most important problem is, the White Council doesn't choose who becomes the island's Warden. I'm pretty sure it's Alfred choice. According to Harry, performing a Sanctum invocation is dangerous, so it isn't something most wizards ever do. So the Council would be hard pressed to find volunteers to attempt to do what Harry did.
On a different topic, we don't know much, or anything really, about Kemmler's personal history. Sure, he was super evil and crazy, but was he always that way? Was there a time when Kemmler was in good standing with the White Council, like Justine DuMorne was once a Warden of the Council? It's possible that Kemmler became the madman we know about after he was the Warden or while he was the Warden of Demonreach. Having extended conversations with some of things locked up under the island might have done that or contributed to Kemmler going down the dark path.
I wonder if Harry will ever ask Alfred about past Wardens; so we can learn more, or if this is backstory information that won't have much relevance to the story going forward. My guess is Kemmler's story; at least, is important, that it contains clues or information that Harry will eventually need to know. The stories and fates of the other wardens might also become important to Harry. We will just have to wait to see if I'm right.
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