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Warden of Demonreach: Dragoncon lore-dump or retcon??!?
Mira:
--- Quote ---Why wouldn't the Warden just give the order to keep the island at elevated defenses "until ordered otherwise" ... Then the island is defended even if the Warden dies, because the order was given by a "very-alive Warden."
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Apparently that didn't happen, yes, some defenses continued even without a Warden, but the island was vulnerable. Because many of the island's defenses that only a Warden could control were down. What underscores that, is at the beginning of Skin Game one of the things Harry said he had been doing that past year was learning what those defenses were and restoring them.
--- Quote ---Instantly? Likely not, if we're to judge by Mab's reaction.
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Yes likely, page502 Cold Days, Mab had just taken the gun back from Harry and was pointing it at him, bolding mine;
--- Quote ---"I," Mab said coolly, "I am not yourservant, Dresden. "You are mine."
"Demonreach," I said. "If our guest pulls that trigger, take her below and keep her there."
The guardian spirit's vast shadow fell over us even though there was nothing actually casting it, and Mab's eyes widened.
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Wide eyes mean one of two things or both, 1] surprise, 2] fear.. In other words it was an "oh sh#t!" moment for Mab. Mab knows what the island could do and knew in that instant that Harry had the power and wasn't afraid to order Alfred into action, she also knew she was doomed if she made any move against Harry.. So...
Harry goes on to warn Mab to be gentle with Molly or she will answer to him. Mab backs off and says her usual about how pleased she was to finally have a strong knight. But make no mistake, Alfred was in motion to carry out Harry's orders if Mab had pulled the trigger, and he would have put her in the slammer.. When Alfred did it, most likely Harry would already have been dead.
g33k:
--- Quote from: Mira on September 13, 2024, 09:57:22 PM --- ... Yes likely, page502 Cold Days, Mab had just taken the gun back from Harry and was pointing it at him ...
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If Warden-orders end instantly with the death of the Warden, then Mab was utterly safe: Harry's order to Demonreach would end when Mab spattered his brains out. Death is instantaneous, no last lingering words, no Death-Curse, and (if Warden-orders insta-expire) no more threat from Alfred.
And yet Mab acted as if the threat was real.
I conclude that -- most likely -- a Warden's orders do NOT expire instantly when the Warden expires.
I presume that they do expire -- eventually -- because the island was at "Defcon Zero" when Harry became Warden. Even "Defcon Zero" is dangerous when it's Demonreach, of course! But Harry needed to learn the defenses, and raise them up.
I presume that, when Harry dies, the island's elevated defenses will fade away... but I'm unclear how quickly that would happen.
LordDresden2:
--- Quote from: g33k on September 09, 2024, 07:05:42 PM ---
When Harry became Warden, the discussion on the Council was more along the lines of "dafukkk??!? Did he just... stupid his way into that? It looks a lot more like a dumb move than an Evil Genius(tm) move." If a more-experienced wizard, who knew more about what was what, became Warden, that'd be different. Apparently if anyone on the Senior Council were to do it, would largely convince the others that they had found their Villain-in-Chief. But for Harry, it just looks to them like a stupid blunder.
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Is this a Word of Jim? If so, could you direct me to it?
Mira:
--- Quote ---I presume that, when Harry dies, the island's elevated defenses will fade away... but I'm unclear how quickly that would happen.
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Or more likely without a human Warden guiding them they become ineffective. Like driving a car and the steering goes out, the car may continue to go but without effective steering it's out of control. I think Alfred had fall back defenses that it can put into place, the sense of fear and paranoia that ran off the people that tried to settle on it is an example. However as we saw in Cold Days the island was vulnerable to determined attackers. Harry had been named Warden by that point but he hadn't learned all he needed to know at that point for the island to be fully defended.
Mira:
--- Quote ---When Harry became Warden, the discussion on the Council was more along the lines of "dafukkk??!? Did he just... stupid his way into that? It looks a lot more like a dumb move than an Evil Genius(tm) move." If a more-experienced wizard, who knew more about what was what, became Warden, that'd be different. Apparently if anyone on the Senior Council were to do it, would largely convince the others that they had found their Villain-in-Chief. But for Harry, it just looks to them like a stupid blunder.
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Harry did blunder his way into it.. However it is stupid on the part of the Senior Council to think that to be Warden of the island would be Villain in Chief.. The post has dangers because it carries with it great power as well as responsibility, both can corrupt the person holding it, but that doesn't make them a villain, and to let the post remain vacant for all those years seems rather stupid.
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