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The Soul Gaze in Blood Rites, Something Margaret Said to Harry About Justine..
Mira:
--- Quote ---While Justine was near death is an excellent possibility for when she was Nemfected, though. Thomas thought she was already gone, Lord Raith would have had ample opportunity to let his allies get at her while she was convalescing. It's not conclusive though, have been other Outsider collaborators in the White Court who could have got to her later.
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The Hunger Demon would know though whether or not Justine was dead. Margaret says, "It knows she is gone."
Whether Thomas believes it or not is important and becomes important as we see in Peace Talks where he is willing to murder to keep the woman he believes is very much alive, safe. What I am wondering is there a connection between Nemesis and the Hunger Demon? Did Margaret come to realize this? Is this why she was compelled to conceive a star child with Malcolm? Is this to the key of while she couldn't kill Lord Raith outright with her death curse, perhaps she could damage the Hunger Demon? Yes, Nemesis still protects Lord Raith, keeping him alive, however he is weakened considerably because his Hunger Demon is effectively dead?
And yes, Justine was one of those long term under the radar plans. Lord Raith just happens to send the beautiful insane Justine to Thomas. Thomas is so charmed that he falls in love and feeds on her just enough to cure her insanity? Then they play all these games for years to prevent "true love" from burning him, until it is believed that star born Harry is dead, then suddenly oh just a little unfaithful lesbian sex will cure the burning on contact? When for years it was common knowledge that was all it took to break any true love protection? In the meantime because of Justine'd supposed willing sacrifice to save Thomas, she is given an inside job with Lara and knows everything that goes on with the White Court. Talk about three dimensional chess, how about four or five dimensional chess? Nemesis is playing it well, or did up until the last moment in Battle Ground when Harry discovered that Justine was possessed by HWWB.
KurtinStGeorge:
--- Quote from: Mira on October 28, 2024, 01:46:13 PM ---What I am wondering is there a connection between Nemesis and the Hunger Demon? Did Margaret come to realize this? Is this why she was compelled to conceive a star child with Malcolm? Is this to the key of while she couldn't kill Lord Raith outright with her death curse, perhaps she could damage the Hunger Demon?
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Like there is a connection between the Black Court and Outsiders? That is an interesting thought. You might be on to something.
However, Mavra mentioned something in Battle Ground about "ruling in the rubble" following the Stars and Stones. Whatever the exact quote is, it isn't important as much as it tells us the Black Court has a long-term plan and because the Black Court is connected in someway to the Outsiders their plan is most likely tied into Outsider goals.
So far, we haven't seen that kind of end-game thinking from the White Court yet, other than Lara knowing about Nemesis. That could be because Lord Raith has been effectively if temporarily put on the sideline or permanently lobotomized. If he was still in power, perhaps Lord Raith would have revealed his endgame plan for the White Court.
What bothers about this line of thinking is, the White Court seems to thrive with civilization. I'm not seeing a strong motivation to see mortal civilization torn apart. While the Black Court could benefit from some kind of post apocalyptic world.
In the end, this doesn't nullify your thinking. One way to explain it is unintended consequences. The Outsiders are so different from our world they can't anticipate everything. Maybe there is a connection between Outsiders and the White Court Hunger Demon, but the Outsiders couldn't have known that their creation or one-time close ally would eventually have a strong reason to oppose them.
Mira:
--- Quote ---What bothers about this line of thinking is, the White Court seems to thrive with civilization. I'm not seeing a strong motivation to see mortal civilization torn apart. While the Black Court could benefit from some kind of post apocalyptic world.
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Yes, they do appear civilized, but are they really? They are cultured, clean, rich, attractive, so they are allowed to thrive, we think of them as civilized. However these are the same beings who will suck the life out of a mortal by feeding upon his or her emotions. This a group of beings that think of vanilla human beings as "kine" or prey to be fed upon.. This is the group that would imprison the little folk so they can have nice colorful lanterns at their parties. So as long as they have a source of food, and can create their own "civilized" islands they can thrive in a post apoplectic world as well as the Black Court in my opinion.
Avernite:
--- Quote from: Mira on November 01, 2024, 11:49:45 AM ---Yes, they do appear civilized, but are they really? They are cultured, clean, rich, attractive, so they are allowed to thrive, we think of them as civilized. However these are the same beings who will suck the life out of a mortal by feeding upon his or her emotions. This a group of beings that think of vanilla human beings as "kine" or prey to be fed upon.. This is the group that would imprison the little folk so they can have nice colorful lanterns at their parties. So as long as they have a source of food, and can create their own "civilized" islands they can thrive in a post apoplectic world as well as the Black Court in my opinion.
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Eh, I could see some deluded megalomaniac thinking that, but not the sophisticated strategists that actually lead the White Court. It's easier to prey on a thriving species over one that's marginalized and you have to actively farm.
Humans also started farming fish on a serious scale only when the seas stopped providing quite so plentiful.
Mira:
--- Quote ---Eh, I could see some deluded megalomaniac thinking that, but not the sophisticated strategists that actually lead the White Court. It's easier to prey on a thriving species over one that's marginalized and you have to actively farm.
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I wouldn't call farming humans for food exactly civilized.
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