The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
We gotta talk about Margaret LeFay
forumghost:
--- Quote from: Tinfoil hat on July 18, 2024, 01:09:25 PM ---I have always thought that Margaret was randomly walking around a random park. That Malcolm was randomly walking around at the same time. While 3 random men with random swords were randomly near by while randomly being random. And Marget just randomly bumped into A random Malcolm.
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Shiro, back in the day: "Hmm, I wonder why God wanted me to cut off that random stage magician in traffic."
or something along those lines.
g33k:
--- Quote from: Mira on July 18, 2024, 11:52:40 AM --- Don't think I have been clear on this, what is the difference between mantel of power and mantel of power. Toot might gain the type of mantel the President of the United States or any leader gets, all sorts of power but no actual supernatural gain, or in other words, the mantel of the office. Then there is the mantel, something totally different, hard to define, it seems to be able to move from vessel to vessel and in some cases over runs the host, as we have seen even Harry struggle with it.
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Within discussions of the Dresdenverse, I usually assume the term "mantle" refers to the supernatural kind; and I was suggesting that some combo of:
[free-willed mortal] X [brawny wizard] X [Starborn] X [time & attention & emotional investment]
could have given (or be in the process of giving) such a mantle to Toot.
He took a soulless construct (Lasciel's Shadow) and in just a few years gave it free will, gave it a soul.
He frightened the archangel Uriel by casually shortening that beings name.
And the same person who did those things?
He has been interacting with Toot for decades.
I think a new mantle is entirely within the scope of "reasonable outcomes" here.
Mira:
--- Quote from: g33k on July 19, 2024, 04:15:31 PM ---Within discussions of the Dresdenverse, I usually assume the term "mantle" refers to the supernatural kind; and I was suggesting that some combo of:
[free-willed mortal] X [brawny wizard] X [Starborn] X [time & attention & emotional investment]
could have given (or be in the process of giving) such a mantle to Toot.
He took a soulless construct (Lasciel's Shadow) and in just a few years gave it free will, gave it a soul.
He frightened the archangel Uriel by casually shortening that beings name.
And the same person who did those things?
He has been interacting with Toot for decades.
I think a new mantle is entirely within the scope of "reasonable outcomes" here.
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I still think what is called a "mantel" is way to broad. I understand, it is a cool word to throw around, it impresses. Now the outcome when Harry is involve might very well be like you suggest, but only because Harry is a unique being apart from other wizards, or even other star borns.
g33k:
--- Quote from: Mira on July 19, 2024, 06:11:26 PM ---I still think what is called a "mantel" is way to broad. I understand, it is a cool word to throw around, it impresses ...
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More to the point: Jim uses it to convey something in the Dresdenverse.
It has a particular meaning, in the stories.
I don't think he has ever pinned the details down for us, not completely.
This leaves plenty of room for fan speculations & WAGs.
You may find the fandom use "way too broad," and I don't think I'd argue with that. But I hope you give the author the respect of letting him build his universe the way he envisions it... and there are a LOT of mantles in Jim's Dresdenverse, far more than he has ever named in the books.
g33k:
--- Quote from: Mira on July 15, 2024, 05:20:55 PM ---Except the date of 1810 doesn't exactly track with Margaret's age when Harry was born, does it? That would put her close to or over 200 when she died, I had the impression that she was closer to 100 to 150 in age. I think pushing 200 is a bit past child baring age for even a wizard, but I could be mistaken. What I base that on is the age of Luccio when her old body was replaced in Death Masks. and I seem to remember her telling Harry that at that age she no longer had a lot of sexual desire.. I know that doesn't mean she still couldn't have children, but the two usually track together.
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The date(s) may be off a bit; but the fact that (as per the OP's query) Maggie Sr's mother is firmly fixed as a mortal woman.
AFAIK Eb's parents (and all the rest of the Senior Council) are entirely un-addressed in either canonical stories or WoJ's. Jim may -- or may not -- have some "Meaningful Revelations" for us, there... :o
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