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We gotta talk about Margaret LeFay
Mira:
--- Quote from: g33k on July 17, 2024, 07:26:26 PM ---Actually, quite a few, depending on what you mean by "met."
All of the Gruffs (including "Tiny") other than Eldest Gruff are, I presume, not mantles.
I'm pretty sure WoJ has stated that "Eldest" is Kind of a Big Deal in faerie, and those are mantles.
But Maeve's little ambush-party at Harry's Wintercourt birthday-party, including the redcap & the rawbones & the ogre &c were all afaik non-Mantle'd fae, as were the fae in the garden when Harry met Lily, etc.
It's just that, generally speaking, the "mantled" fae are both more-powerful (with the consequent storytelling value to Jim, of playing in Harry's power-league) & more-interesting; Toot is certainly an exception, but note that Toot has both increased in personal power, & recruited the force-multiplying "Za-Lord's Guard..." I wonder if there is such a thing as "Eldest Pixie" ... I wonder if Toot is going to become the first "Eldest" of all pixie'dom?
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Or the term is over used and loosely used. It isn't a catch all title, there are the kinds of mantles that are physically passed on like the Ladies, Queens, Mothers, and Knights, i.e. being in the right place or wrong place at the right time and being a vessel to recieve it.. And then there are those that are acquired over time by deeds, that's the type of mantle that Toot wears. When we first meet him he is merely a little pizza loving pixie, but with his brave acts and loyalty to Harry he has grown physically and earned the mantle of Major General, and the power that goes with it.
g33k:
"Mantles"
--- Quote from: Mira on July 17, 2024, 08:11:41 PM ---Or the term is over used and loosely used...
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I expect we here in the fandom overuse it sometimes, yes.
But add all the "Eldest..." (Malk, Gruff, Fetch, etc) to the "Big" mantles that you listed -- plus Kringle, of course! -- because Jim has specified that all the "Eldest..." are Mantles.
Beyond that... I think all is our speculation.
In particular, it's 100% speculation on my part the Toot has gained (or will or might gain) a mantle of the Pixies. AFAIK neither the books nor WoJ has suggested this.
But it strikes me as the kind of thing Harry does: he invests himself in others, and those he invests in grow far beyond what they originally were (looking especially at Lash, here).
LordDresden2:
--- Quote from: Zelchar on July 15, 2024, 03:34:37 AM ---
LeFay was also about a century old before she died. Do Harry and Thomas have any older siblings?
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I believe JB has said that Thomas is Harry's only siblings, though I can't recall exactly where.
Nicodemus' words to Harry back in the day hinted that there might be others, he referred to Harry as Margaret's 'youngest' rather than 'younger', but that's hardly proof of anything. Of course it's possibly in theory that Margaret could have had kids when she was much younger, who never studied magic and died of old age before Harry and Thomas were born. But I don't consider that at all probable.
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Now a hypothesis: LeFay met Malcolm after hiring him for Thomas's birthday on Valentines day. Nine months later, Harry was born on Halloween. Plausible?
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Possible, yes. Likely, no.
The Raith family is rich beyond rich. It's not very likely they'd have hired a struggling stage magician as entertainment, the more so because the adult Raiths no magic is real.
I think it far more likely that Margaret went on the run, and then met Malcolm along the way.
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What other head cannon have you been filling Margaret Gwendolyn McCoy LeFay's backstory with?
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Head canon is too strong a word. I have head speculations. It's hard to be very confident until we can reconcile what Eb and Thomas and so forth told Harry and what Stacy told Harry, though.
Mira:
--- Quote ---In particular, it's 100% speculation on my part the Toot has gained (or will or might gain) a mantle of the Pixies. AFAIK neither the books nor WoJ has suggested this.
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Don't think I have been clear on this, what is the difference between mantel of power and mantel of power. Toot might gain the type of mantel the President of the United States or any leader gets, all sorts of power but no actual supernatural gain, or in other words, the mantel of the office. Then there is the mantel, something totally different, hard to define, it seems to be able to move from vessel to vessel and in some cases over runs the host, as we have seen even Harry struggle with it.
Tinfoil hat:
I have always thought that Margaret was randomly walking around a random park. That Malcolm was randomly walking around at the same time. While 3 random men with random swords were randomly near by while randomly being random. And Marget just randomly bumped into A random Malcolm.
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