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We gotta talk about Margaret LeFay
g33k:
--- Quote from: Zelchar on July 15, 2024, 03:34:37 AM --- ... Now a hypothesis: LeFay met Malcolm after hiring him for Thomas's birthday on Valentines day. Nine months later, Harry was born on Halloween. Plausible? ...
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If she was intimate with Malcolm at-or-shortly-after Valentine's Day, that would call for Harry to be (at least a couple of weeks) premature; not impossible, but AFAIK nothing to hint at it has ever been stated.
The (semi) official timeline has:
~26-27 BSF: Thomas is given a pentacle necklace on his fifth birthday. His mother escapes Lord Raith.
26 BSF: Maggie LeFay meets Malcolm Dresden.
("BSF" stands for "Before Storm Front")
This strongly implies that "meets Malcolm Dresden" is a wholly-separate (and later) event: it is a separate entry from the paired events of "Thomas gets his pentacle necklace" + "Maggie escapes Lord Raith"
The DF wiki (which is entirely unofficial, but more often right than wrong) has:
--- Quote ---... When her son was about five, she escaped Lord Raith, abandoning Thomas to the mercy of his father, who had killed all his other sons. The next year[5], she met Malcolm Dresden.
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g33k:
--- Quote from: Mira on July 16, 2024, 02:23:07 PM ---I doubt that Lea has a mantle...
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You may be correct; I don't think we have enough info to say one way or another.
But notice this: "Lea" isn't, in fact, "Lea:" that's not her name.
She is the Leanansidhe.
That's a title, a role.
We don't actually have any hint what her name is!
How many such titles/roles do we know? The Queen, the Lady, the Mother, the Eldest, the Erlking, etc... these are all mantles in Faerie.
Do we know any other Fae titled as "the ...<X>" which are not Mantles?
We also know of at least one ("Kringle") which seems to be an actual name (but is also a Mantle)... but I don't think is relevant to the case of the Leanansidhe.
Mira:
--- Quote from: g33k on July 17, 2024, 03:40:58 AM ---You may be correct; I don't think we have enough info to say one way or another.
But notice this: "Lea" isn't, in fact, "Lea:" that's not her name.
She is the Leanansidhe.
That's a title, a role.
We don't actually have any hint what her name is!
How many such titles/roles do we know? The Queen, the Lady, the Mother, the Eldest, the Erlking, etc... these are all mantles in Faerie.
Do we know any other Fae titled as "the ...<X>" which are not Mantles?
We also know of at least one ("Kringle") which seems to be an actual name (but is also a Mantle)... but I don't think is relevant to the case of the Leanansidhe.
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All mantles? My problem is I think we the readers over use the term, or maybe misunderstand it. I include myself in that, I think the overall problem of labeling this or that title a mantle is it loses it's importance and meaning after a while. You could be correct about Lea, but then again how many ordinary non mantled Fae have we met aside from Toot and his people? Just what are the characteristics of an ordinary member of the High Sidhe of the Winter Court?
g33k:
--- Quote from: Mira on July 17, 2024, 12:20:46 PM --- ... but then again how many ordinary non mantled Fae have we met aside from Toot and his people? ...
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Actually, quite a few, depending on what you mean by "met."
All of the Gruffs (including "Tiny") other than Eldest Gruff are, I presume, not mantles.
I'm pretty sure WoJ has stated that "Eldest" is Kind of a Big Deal in faerie, and those are mantles.
But Maeve's little ambush-party at Harry's Wintercourt birthday-party, including the redcap & the rawbones & the ogre &c were all afaik non-Mantle'd fae, as were the fae in the garden when Harry met Lily, etc.
It's just that, generally speaking, the "mantled" fae are both more-powerful (with the consequent storytelling value to Jim, of playing in Harry's power-league) & more-interesting; Toot is certainly an exception, but note that Toot has both increased in personal power, & recruited the force-multiplying "Za-Lord's Guard..." I wonder if there is such a thing as "Eldest Pixie" ... I wonder if Toot is going to become the first "Eldest" of all pixie'dom?
g33k:
--- Quote from: Mira on July 15, 2024, 08:58:05 PM ---Where does it say that? It is my understanding that Lea was always a Fae.
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WoJ says:
--- Quote ---All the fae are part mortal. There is some bit of mortal in every single one of the fae.
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-- https://wordof.jim-butcher.com/index.php/word-of-jim-woj-compilation/woj-on-the-fae/
As always, standard disclaimers apply: Jim may have changed his mind since then, or been actively lying to keep back a surprise, etc.
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