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Zelchar:
I wouldn't put it past Jim to bury the lead like that.

That begs the question about Malcolm's parents. Could Malcolm be an un-manifested scion?

LordDresden2:

--- Quote from: vincentric on July 15, 2024, 05:26:31 PM ---Margaret spent a considerable amount of her time in the NeverNever, much more than the average wizard. That could easily account for her extended youthfulness.

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JB has more or less said as much.  What I gather, from various words of Jim and the implications of the story, was that Margaret was about a century old when she had Harry, in terms of her personal experience of time, that is, she had lived for a century.  But that century was spread out over a longer period of time because of Faerie time distortion (remember Rip van Winkle, or the stories of people who spend a day or two in Faerie and return to discover that everyone they knew has died of old age).

So measured by the calendar, Margaret might have been close to 160+ when she had Harry, but she had probably only lived a century or so of it.

But that's a conclusion I put together from various statements and implications and it could be off.

LordDresden2:

--- Quote from: Zelchar on July 16, 2024, 12:33:17 AM ---I wouldn't put it past Jim to bury the lead like that.

That begs the question about Malcolm's parents. Could Malcolm be an un-manifested scion?

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In theory he could.  But I sure hope not.  Making Malcolm supernatural messes up his characterization and role in the backstory, IMHO.

Mira:

--- Quote from: LordDresden2 on July 16, 2024, 05:45:04 AM ---In theory he could.  But I sure hope not.  Making Malcolm supernatural messes up his characterization and role in the backstory, IMHO.

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Agreed, the push about Malcolm all through the series was he was an ordinary vanilla human with "a heart of gold" as they used to say about extraordinary good and decent people.  That's the ingredient that sets star born Harry apart from the other star borns we've met, he inherited his father's "good heart" or nature.  That theme is repeated again and again all through the series, it is significant.

Mira:

--- Quote ---At the same time, I don't think that canon - and by that, I mean clearly stated by a 'cannot lie' Fae in straightforward text - has her as mantle-less.  I'm happy to be shown wrong if I've missed that.  If the Leanansidhe isn't a mantle, that would make Lea sui generis among the powerful Fae who all wear one or more mantles.  I don't think canon has explained Lea's uniqueness or at least hasn't yet.  Butcher is fairly logical and consistent with his story and world structures, and I don't think 'Lea is Mab's BFF' or 'Lea's been around a long time' is the answer.  To me, Lea being a mantle fits given what we know or have been led to believe about the Fae.

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I doubt that Lea has a mantle.  She is high up in the Winter Court and is powerful, but it's because she is a powerful Fae, not that she has a mantle.  I need to go back and reread parts of Summer Knight when the Courts begin to war with one another, but I seem to remember other Fae "generals" being mentioned, powerful, but not with mantels.  Maybe the rule is, and I don't know it for a fact, but the Ladies,Queens, and Mothers have to begin as mortals, it's the mantle that changes them over time to the immortal powers that they are.  Knights are a bit different, their mantels make them powerful but they remain mortal.  Harry maybe an exception, but so far we haven't heard different.

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