The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
We gotta talk about Margaret LeFay
vincentric:
--- Quote from: Mira on July 15, 2024, 05:20:55 PM ---Except the date of 1810 doesn't exactly track with Margaret's age when Harry was born, does it? That would put her close to or over 200 when she died, I had the impression that she was closer to 100 to 150 in age. I think pushing 200 is a bit past child baring age for even a wizard, but I could be mistaken. What I base that on is the age of Luccio when her old body was replaced in Death Masks. and I seem to remember her telling Harry that at that age she no longer had a lot of sexual desire.. I know that doesn't mean she still couldn't have children, but the two usually track together.
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Margaret spent a considerable amount of her time in the NeverNever, much more than the average wizard. That could easily account for her extended youthfulness.
Lord Kinbote:
Zelchar, thanks for opening this topic.
My WAG but a considered one - the Leanansidhe is a mantle, just like Mab, Titania, the Winter and Summer Ladies, Kringle, etc. Otherwise, that would make Lea – the most powerful in the Winter Court after Mab - the only high level Sidhe that isn’t a mantle.
And just like those with mantles, the Leananside was mortal once.
And the mortal who has the Leanansidhe mantle is an ancestor of Harry. I think it likely Harry’s grandmother or maybe his great grandmother. (I thought maybe Margaret at one point, and while I don’t rule her completely out, I don’t think the math works even though at times Lea calls Harry “Son.”) This would solve a number of unknowns and curiosities surrounding Lea but it was Lea’s participation in Mexico against the Red Court that pretty much seals it for me. Mab allowed or directed Lea to go - and to indulge herself - even though Mab had earlier openly questioned why she would risk losing her Knight in a matter in which Mab had no interest and, also, would have resulted in hostilities between the Winter Court and the Red Court unless Harry wholly eliminated the Red Court. Why? Because the Red Court’s planned curse to kill Harry and Eb would have killed the mortal wearing the Lea mask. Also, note that in the aftermath of Red Court’s elimination when Eb asks to speak to Harry alone, Eb says “Family business” and Lea smirked at Eb. Maybe that was acknowledgement that Lea knew of the family relationship between Eb and Harry, but I think that’s what Butcher wants us to think. I think it has deeper meaning than that (and Eb doesn’t know a relative is wearing the Lea mantle).
To those who want to cite WOJ to refute this, I consider Jim to be an unreliable narrator when it comes to things that could reveal major plot points in his planned, yet-to-be-published books. He can’t give away critical pieces of the game with so much left so he understandably obfuscates. And lest anyone forget, Butcher is a huge Star Wars nerd and by extension, so is Harry. When Butcher says Harry’s grandmother is dead, I just think of Obi-Wan telling Luke that Vader killed Luke’s father. From a 'certain point of view,' Harry’s grandmother (or maybe great grandmother, even Margaret herself) wearing the Lea mantle is just as dead as Anakin was wearing the Vader mask.
Mira:
--- Quote ---And just like those with mantles, the Leananside was mortal once.
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Where does it say that? It is my understanding that Lea was always a Fae.
Lord Kinbote:
--- Quote from: Mira on July 15, 2024, 08:58:05 PM ---Where does it say that? It is my understanding that Lea was always a Fae.
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Canon doesn't, thus WAG.
At the same time, I don't think that canon - and by that, I mean clearly stated by a 'cannot lie' Fae in straightforward text - has her as mantle-less. I'm happy to be shown wrong if I've missed that. If the Leanansidhe isn't a mantle, that would make Lea sui generis among the powerful Fae who all wear one or more mantles. I don't think canon has explained Lea's uniqueness or at least hasn't yet. Butcher is fairly logical and consistent with his story and world structures, and I don't think 'Lea is Mab's BFF' or 'Lea's been around a long time' is the answer. To me, Lea being a mantle fits given what we know or have been led to believe about the Fae.
Heck, I even considered the idea that like with Odin and Kringle, Lea wasn't a different Fae but was just Mab wearing the Leanansidhe mantle at times. But I don't think the canon supports that nearly as well as Lea being a separate former mortal wearing a Lea mantle. But even so, I don't think Odin/Kringle is the only multi-mantled Fae there is. Really, no reason for Butcher to do that unless he's scheming a future reveal. We just haven't been shown any other . . . yet.
clickeral:
--- Quote from: g33k on July 15, 2024, 04:04:33 PM ---Sorry, I'm afraid you're disappointed:-- https://wordof.jim-butcher.com/index.php/word-of-jim-woj-compilation/woj-on-harrys-family/
We can fanfic otherwise, but I think this is a pretty solidly established "fact" of the Dresdenverse -- straight from the Butcher's mouth.
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Did he specifically say it was Harrys Maternal grandmother? ie Ebs wife? or could be have been referencing Malcolms mother?
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