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Is Harry a good mentor
vincentric:
Being a Fae Lady doesn't necessarily cost you your soul, it may cost you your humanity.
Maeve and Aurora were both outliers. We only saw Aurora after she was Nemesis infected and Maeve became Nemesis infected early on.
Mab and Titania do their jobs with an inhuman and sometimes inhumane dedication. But both still have human feelings deeply buried. They sacrifice everything that interferes with getting the job done but still retain the capacity for love and hate. Mab's dialog shows a great deal of biting humor, and she tolerates private and logical defiance.
One of the reasons Mab is so hard on Harry and Molly is to give them the mental toughness to work through the future pains she knows they'll be facing. She's teaching them to cope but is willing to risk them becoming unfeeling because she needs results. And as long as they produce results, she'll give them some leeway even it causes some wobble in her plans.
Mira:
--- Quote from: vincentric on July 05, 2024, 04:18:21 PM ---Being a Fae Lady doesn't necessarily cost you your soul, it may cost you your humanity.
Maeve and Aurora were both outliers. We only saw Aurora after she was Nemesis infected and Maeve became Nemesis infected early on.
Mab and Titania do their jobs with an inhuman and sometimes inhumane dedication. But both still have human feelings deeply buried. They sacrifice everything that interferes with getting the job done but still retain the capacity for love and hate. Mab's dialog shows a great deal of biting humor, and she tolerates private and logical defiance.
One of the reasons Mab is so hard on Harry and Molly is to give them the mental toughness to work through the future pains she knows they'll be facing. She's teaching them to cope but is willing to risk them becoming unfeeling because she needs results. And as long as they produce results, she'll give them some leeway even it causes some wobble in her plans.
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Would you say that Mab has a soul these days? Mab was once human.. She may have a smidge of humanity left,
but is that enough for her to still have a soul? Granted it's taken a thousand years or so to get to this point, Molly might not reach it before the end of the BAT, but who knows? I think she will have to choose at some point, Winter Lady power, or even Winter Queen power, or her soul.. I think that might be what Mab was getting at when she ordered Harry to kill Molly if something happened to her.. Being Queen maybe a soulless job and Molly isn't ready to give up hers just yet.
vincentric:
--- Quote from: Mira on July 05, 2024, 06:19:51 PM ---Would you say that Mab has a soul these days? Mab was once human.. She may have a smidge of humanity left,
but is that enough for her to still have a soul? Granted it's taken a thousand years or so to get to this point, Molly might not reach it before the end of the BAT, but who knows? I think she will have to choose at some point, Winter Lady power, or even Winter Queen power, or her soul.. I think that might be what Mab was getting at when she ordered Harry to kill Molly if something happened to her.. Being Queen maybe a soulless job and Molly isn't ready to give up hers just yet.
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If Mab didn't have a soul, she wouldn't have been so torn up about Maeve's Nemfection, she'd have killed her herself. She wouldn't have shuddered at Harry's thanks at the end of Battle Ground or changed her proclamation and given Harry a year to marry Lara. The conversation she had with Harry about selling his soul applies to her as well. And Harry can build his soul back with time after overusing Soulfire so why can't Mab or Molly? Mab's reputation for evil does not match up with her deeds in the books, especially once you know her place in the Dresdenverse cosmetology.
Mira:
--- Quote from: vincentric on July 05, 2024, 09:59:13 PM ---If Mab didn't have a soul, she wouldn't have been so torn up about Maeve's Nemfection, she'd have killed her herself. She wouldn't have shuddered at Harry's thanks at the end of Battle Ground or changed her proclamation and given Harry a year to marry Lara. The conversation she had with Harry about selling his soul applies to her as well. And Harry can build his soul back with time after overusing Soulfire so why can't Mab or Molly? Mab's reputation for evil does not match up with her deeds in the books, especially once you know her place in the Dresdenverse cosmetology.
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People with souls kill themselves all of the time. Harry is still a human, is Mab still a human? Whatever Mab's reputation is, and I agree with you that she isn't as evil as she seems, has nothing to do with whether or not she has a soul. Even evil people have souls, that's the part that is condemned to hell in the Final Judgement.
g33k:
--- Quote from: vincentric on July 05, 2024, 09:59:13 PM ---If Mab didn't have a soul, she wouldn't have been so torn up about Maeve's Nemfection, she'd have killed her herself ...
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I think Mab can't.
I think it's a Winter Law thing, and she has to work through her Knight or some other agency.
--- Quote from: vincentric on July 05, 2024, 09:59:13 PM --- ... She wouldn't have ... changed her proclamation and given Harry a year to marry Lara ...
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I think the telling argument -- the one that changed her mind -- was about what was "proper" and "traditional." There are rules to be followed, and a mourning period is one of them.
That being said: yes, I think Mab still has a soul. Just the smallest ember smoldering in her cold, cold heart... but I think it's still there.
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