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vincentric:
It happens when they are rescuing Thomas.
Lara is doubly surprised because Harry wasn't protected when they sparred with staves the day before but burns her after they strip to descend the dumbwaiter shaft and brush elbows. Lara immediately guesses that he was with Murphy and congratulates him. Harry gets a boost because it confirms to him that the thing with Murphy is real.
Mira:
--- Quote from: vincentric on June 30, 2024, 02:53:11 PM ---It happens when they are rescuing Thomas.
Lara is doubly surprised because Harry wasn't protected when they sparred with staves the day before but burns her after they strip to descend the dumbwaiter shaft and brush elbows. Lara immediately guesses that he was with Murphy and congratulates him. Harry gets a boost because it confirms to him that the thing with Murphy is real.
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g33k:
--- Quote from: Mira on June 30, 2024, 11:20:52 AM --- ... And since he hasn't had sexual contact since, no reason why he still wouldn't be protected ...
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We don't know that.
The protection may not survive the death of the loved one; or it may... afaik neither WoJ nor canon stories have spoken to the matter.
--- Quote from: Mira on June 30, 2024, 11:20:52 AM --- ... Yeah, Michael would know, one of his angels would have told him, who knows Charity may have been a redemption project all along ...
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I'm sure Charity's redemption was part of "the plan all along," but also I'm sure the angels would not have told Michael: directly contravening mortal free will (such as violating a deep dark secret) is one of the things that Angels Do Not Do.
LordDresden2:
--- Quote from: Regenbogen on June 28, 2024, 06:25:29 AM ---
Also, I have thought about this concept of true love. When is it true love instead of just love? And does that mean that not every kind of romantic love between equals is true love?
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Yes, that's exactly what it means. JB has said specifically that 'romantic love', meaning the fantasy that the diamond mongers and the advertising industry and the chocolate companies and Hollywood peddles, won't cut it. That's self-centered, it's about living out a fantasy, and about hormones and infatuation.
Which can be misleading because the real thing can of course also include that sort of romantic gesture or symbol, and of course a couple who does have the real thing can also be sexually attracted and hot for each other. But it's ancillary to the core of it.
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Is it the mutual will to selfless sacrifice oneself? Ok, so what if the will is there but there is no opportunity to act on it? Is there still protection.
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Yes, if the will is genuinely there and there is a sexual interaction to transfer the 'tainted' (from the Hunger POV) energy.
--- Quote ---The quote only says "the possibility of protection", so not all couples who truly love are protected automatically. There must be a trigger not all couples experience. Otherwise it wouldn't be so rare.
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It's not so rare as all that. It isn't necessarily common, but it's not that 1 in a million ever experience, either. It's more common in couples who have been together for years than in newlyweds, more common in older people than younger, but it's not vanishingly rare.
--- Quote ---The protection can be there without sex. But when having sex with someone else, you can easily break this powerful protection that is so hard to come by. So bad cards for true love couples who prefer swinger club activities, lol.
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Yes. Absolutely yes.
In the Dresdenverse, there is no such thing as casual sex. It always transfers some soul-energy, some magical essence, along with genetic fluids. Even the most 'slam bam thank you ma'am' encounter does that. It may not always matter very much, but it most certainly can.
Harry's hesitation about casual sexual encounters saved his life in White Night, because he was still shielded by Susan even after four years.
LordDresden2:
--- Quote from: Regenbogen on June 28, 2024, 08:19:56 PM ---I agree, I suppose this is true love.
But what I meant to say: there is no evidence in the books that for example Michael and Charity are protected. I mean they are already under protection of the angels.
Did Thomas ever go into their house? I can't remember. Did Thomas ever touch either of them? Maybe I'll put special emphasis on looking for those moments during my next reread.
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Thomas wouldn't prove anything either way. Neither would Lara. Madeline would, if she wasn't dead.
Remember what Thomas explained to Harry about how that works back in Turn Coat: the Hunger demon tries to feed every time there's flesh-to-flesh physical contact between a White Vampire and another human being (including another White Vampire!). But most WVs, most of the time, can restrain the Hunger so the attempt is stopped. Thomas' Hunger tries to feed a little from Harry every time they do that knuckle-bump move, for ex. But it's easy for Thomas to restrain the effect there.
I said Madeline would prove something touching Michael/Charity because as Thomas noted, she had so little self-discipline that she could never restrain her Hunger, she let it try to feed every time she touched someone, so she always triggered any Protection she encountered. But Madeline is suffering from a case of terminal death.
The burn effect kicks in when the Hunger actually begins to feed. Thomas gets burned by Justine because his Hunger wants to eat her so bad he can't restrain it with her. But he could touch Charity or Michael and it would be fine unless for some demented reason he tried to feed, then I'm pretty sure zap. (Even assuming the angels let things go that far.) Lara, likewise, could shake hands with Michael or Protected Harry and be fine as long as her Hunger was on the leash.
Remember White Night. Harry and Lara were actualy making out, so Harry could use the emotional energy to drive a spell. This had gone on for a couple of minutes, but she only got burned when her Hunger slipped the leash for a moment, then Susan's energy burned Lara's mouth.
It's the energy that burns the WV when they try to feed on it, if it's been 'tainted'.
That's why sex (or according to JB, other theoretical ways) is necessary for the protection. John and Jane might love each other with the deepest of devotion, fully prepared to die for the other if need be, but if there's never been sufficient physical contact to transfer the 'tainted' energy, they aren't protected because that taint isn't there.
It's not about 'fair'.
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