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Does Thomas get a free pass?
g33k:
--- Quote from: OutsideIn on February 15, 2024, 07:09:06 AM --- Just because his babies held hostage in a way... Doesn't give you a free pass to murder. I think Thomas if he survives imprisonment. He'll die a martyr saving the day of some type..
The bill comes due...
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I think it's worth noting that there are two questions being addressed in the thread:
1st (as posed in this OP) - Is "Karma" a bitch? Does "Fate" now have a violent end in store for Thomas? Is Thomas (having murdered) now doomed to face a violent (albeit possibly heroic) end? It's worth noting here that Thomas has been a murderer ever since we met him: whampires only manifest fully after their 1st full feeding, which AFAIK is always to the death (n.b. Connie & Irwin are an odd case)... so Thomas must have killed his first lover.
The 2nd question is the physical & practical one: can he escape the Svartalven demands for retribution?
I note a similar parallel between the White Council's "Laws of Magic" -- which they enforce legalistically, at trial -- and the "natural law" laws of magic, which comes in to form of psychic trauma & damage (and, as Jim likes to say, "cackling villainy"). The WC laws are "only human:" they can fail to detect broken Laws, they can fail to convict wrong-doers, they can falsely-convict those who aren't fallen to the Dark Side. The "natural laws" come for Black Magicians willy-nilly (though evidently the Blackstaff (MW's WS) can stave that off, for the wielder), and impose their own penalties (often madness).
The_Sibelis:
I don't see the svartalves being an issue really, they're old school in the same view as Mab? They more than likely know of Nemesis?
Put two and two together, point out Thomas was nothing but a weapon not the perp, and they might actually owe due to what they did to him... I mean, they already DO, but if they actually accepted the fact it would be paramount to owing a life.
Mira:
--- Quote ---I think it's worth noting that there are two questions being addressed in the thread:
1st (as posed in this OP) - Is "Karma" a bitch? Does "Fate" now have a violent end in store for Thomas? Is Thomas (having murdered) now doomed to face a violent (albeit possibly heroic) end? It's worth noting here that Thomas has been a murderer ever since we met him: whampires only manifest fully after their 1st full
feeding, which AFAIK is always to the death (n.b. Connie & Irwin are an odd case)... so Thomas must have killed his first lover.
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Yes, he did murder his first victim, it has been years since I read Blood Rites, but if I remember correctly Lord Raith set him up. Young, with perhaps little understanding of what he was, let alone control, he fed upon his first victim until she died and became a full vampire himself. Lord Raith did the same with Lara, and tried to set up their little sister, Inari with Harry as her first kill. Interesting that though especially Lara was at peace with her status, Thomas also for the most part, neither wanted that for their little sister, they wanted her to have at least a choice, nor have a chance that true love would burn out the Hunger Demon before she killed anyone. In short Lord Raith set Thomas up to commit murder, and in spite of some efforts not to, he has committed murder since in the course of feeding, especially during and after the Skin Walker had a hold of him.
g33k:
--- Quote from: Mira on March 23, 2024, 08:57:34 PM --- Yes, he did murder his first victim, it has been years since I read Blood Rites, but if I remember correctly Lord Raith set him up ...
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This is pretty much "family life" for all Whampires.
The parents all "set up" their kids, try to make sure that "first feeding" is just teen hormones & body-chemistry (or teenage angst/despair for the Skavis, etc). A few train them young and ruthless, so they know ahead of time... but that's the exception.
g33k:
--- Quote from: The_Sibelis on March 23, 2024, 07:12:34 PM ---I don't see the svartalves being an issue really, they're old school in the same view as Mab? They more than likely know of Nemesis?
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Harry remarked that he took notice of exactly who (at the Peace Talks) showed realization of what was implied by the Outer Gates being assaulted by the Outsiders, simultaneously with Ethniu's attack.
Jim -- that bastard! -- didn't tell us which parties were which. I suspect he's leaving himself wiggle-room for future writing, where some groups that you'd think would know, do not; and some that you'd expect not to, do (maybe Jim even has some specific ideas in that direction).
I'd think that:
* if Harry&co could prove that Nemesis was actually the bad actor
* if the Svartalves know of Nemesisthen Thomas could escape the most-severe Svartalven penalties.
But I'm not at all confident that (in Jim's Dresdenverse) this is the case.
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