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Does Thomas get a free pass?
Mira:
--- Quote ---Lara may be anxious about Thomas, but she won't blame Harry for his condition. She's very practical, does love her family and realizes that not only did Harry not cause this injury to Thomas, but that she forced Harry into considerable danger in saving Thomas' life from the Svartalves and hiding him on the island.
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However when Harry did imprison Thomas she flew into a rage and would have killed him if she could if the island's defenses hadn't made that impossible. We really don't know what she does or doesn't blame Harry for.
--- Quote ---I also think Thomas can remain a vampire and still wield a Sword. We've already seen Susan use one on a mission of love to save her daughter. Thomas can use the same Sword of Love to save the souls of Justine and his child. What happens after that is open. Perhaps prolonged exposure to the Sword will change the nature of his demon. Or maybe he's only a Knight for that mission since we've been told that being a long-term sword wielder is not the normal. Maybe they get rid of Papa Raith and Thomas becomes the new White King and Lara becomes Harry's sidekick.
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Possible, and has been theorized before, a couple of things are different between Susan and Thomas. A Red Court Vampire is a totally different creature from a White Court Vampire, weird addictive addiction verses an actual demon parasite that feeds on emotion, still maybe possible.. However another problem, anything having to do with true love burns the crap out of the demon. Yeah, I get that Justine having sex with another neutralized the true love thing between her and Thomas, but not between Thomas and the Sword. I think that the Sword of Love itself is true love. Thus it would be impossible for Thomas to ever touch it, let alone use it... Unless through some sacrifice, he became fully human, then and only then could he become a Holy Knight and wield the Sword of Love. Would giving up his Hunger Demon and the power etc it gives him be seen as a sacrifice? Perhaps, if there is a way.
Also even if Thomas became White King, you'd never see Lara be Harry's or anyone else's sidekick. That just isn't in that woman's make up.
Yup. ;) WAGS are all we got and what keeps us coming back here time after time to pull these guesses out of our collective informed behinds... ::)
Tinfoil hat:
--- Quote from: vincentric on March 14, 2024, 06:57:08 PM ---Lara may be anxious about Thomas, but she won't blame Harry for his condition. She's very practical, does love her family and realizes that not only did Harry not cause this injury to Thomas, but that she forced Harry into considerable danger in saving Thomas' life from the Svartalves and hiding him on the island.
I also think Thomas can remain a vampire and still wield a Sword. We've already seen Susan use one on a mission of love to save her daughter. Thomas can use the same Sword of Love to save the souls of Justine and his child. What happens after that is open. Perhaps prolonged exposure to the Sword will change the nature of his demon. Or maybe he's only a Knight for that mission since we've been told that being a long-term sword wielder is not the normal. Maybe they get rid of Papa Raith and Thomas becomes the new White King and Lara becomes Harry's sidekick.
I'm sure all these guesses are wrong but until Jim tells the story, WAGs are all we've got.
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On a side note, I like the way Jim writes Lara and Harry. Like at the start Lara was like Harry Dresden not so bright wizard i can manipulate. At the end of I think Blood Rites she finds out Harry staged is talk with Pa Raith so she would find out what he really thinks of her. She takes down PaRaith but i think in the back of her mind she realizes that she was used and Harry is smarter that she thinks. In White Night Harry figures out her play. In her mind Dresden is probably some mad genius using confusion fu on her.
peterwiggin94:
If I remember correctly, Jim has said that the Warden of Demonreach can release portions of the prisoners but not all. The example he gave (assuming my memory is right) is that Harry could trap Vadderrung/Odin/Claus on the island and release Vadderrung but not Claus. Since Claus was the portion of that being who was keeping him immortal, he would have really good leverage on him. I imagine that Harry could, theoretically, do the same with Thomas.
However, we know that there is an angel in the Sword of the Cross. Since those angels presumably has more experience and knowledge than Harry, it could probably be more precise at only killing the Whampire demon. In fact, the Sword of Faith would probably be perfect for this.
g33k:
--- Quote from: peterwiggin94 on March 15, 2024, 01:44:43 PM --- If I remember correctly, Jim has said that the Warden of Demonreach can release portions of the prisoners but not all. The example he gave (assuming my memory is right) is that Harry could trap Vadderrung/Odin/Claus on the island and release Vadderrung but not Claus. Since Claus was the portion of that being who was keeping him immortal, he would have really good leverage on him. I imagine that Harry could, theoretically, do the same with Thomas.
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"Claus" is specifically the Kringlemantle, though. Mantles are constructs, and made to be separated from the people who wield/wear the mantle. Odin, in particular, often takes off the Kringlemantle (I would allege that he is only rarely Kringle: because Kringle is subject to Mab, but Vadderung & Odin emphatically are not).
I don't think we've ever seen the Mother/Queen/Lady (or Knight) mantles separate from their owners (except of course when the owners die). Vadderung has told Harry several times about not always being Kringle; I expect this foreshadows Harry being able to "take off" the Knightmantle, and put it back on.
I don't think that the Hunger Demon is much like a mantle, though. Obviously, Jim could write that it is, but they seem entirely-separate things, to me.
--- Quote from: peterwiggin94 on March 15, 2024, 01:44:43 PM ---However, we know that there is an angel in the Sword of the Cross. Since those angels presumably has more experience and knowledge than Harry, it could probably be more precise at only killing the Whampire demon. In fact, the Sword of Faith would probably be perfect for this.
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I presume Amoracchius -- the Sword of Love -- would be the most natural for dealing with the whampire hunger-demon of lust.
Mira:
--- Quote ---I don't think that the Hunger Demon is much like a mantle, though. Obviously, Jim could write that it is, but they seem entirely-separate things, to me.
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The Hunger Demon is nothing like a mantle. The Hunger Demon is more like a parasite that the host is born with. When the host reaches puberty or sexual maturity the HD parasite is ready to feed and awakens with the first sexual experience and full maturity when the host feeds on the emotions of the victim until it dies. It is a symbiotic relationship, it compels the host to feed,thus flourishing it and in return it gives the host, youth, exceptional strength, and beauty.
--- Quote ---"Claus" is specifically the Kringlemantle, though. Mantles are constructs, and made to be separated from the people who wield/wear the mantle. Odin, in particular, often takes off the Kringlemantle (I would allege that he is only rarely Kringle: because Kringle is subject to Mab, but Vadderung & Odin emphatically are not).
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I don't think Kringle is subject to anyone, I think Kringle is merely another aspect of Odin's mantle.
--- Quote ---I don't think we've ever seen the Mother/Queen/Lady (or Knight) mantles separate from their owners (except of course when the owners die). Vadderung has told Harry several times about not always being Kringle; I expect this foreshadows Harry being able to "take off" the Knightmantle, and put it back on.
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Kringle also told Harry on Halloween during "the Hunt" many mantles/faces maybe worn. Odin is a god, where as Harry is a mere human, wizard, yes, but human, I don't think he can take the Winter Knight's mantle on and off like a cloak.
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