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In Retrospect The Relevance Of Storm Front and Full Moon
g33k:
--- Quote from: The_Sibelis on July 25, 2023, 08:00:20 PM --- yep, easily findable in the mab vs section in woj.vs the entire wamp court if would be tenuous victory, but whomever actually succeeded would effectively control winter. I'll look after work if you really can't find it.
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We have different understandings of that WoJ!
No, a whampire couldn't just take out Mab; not under any circumstances.
If the entire White Court tried to take her down, they might be able to manage it, as a long-odds chance... with one particular Whamp being the "straw that broke the camels back" and that Whamp controlling Mab (and thus, Winter).
More likely, though, that she would end them.
The_Sibelis:
--- Quote from: g33k on July 26, 2023, 06:10:24 AM ---We have different understandings of that WoJ!
No, a whampire couldn't just take out Mab; not under any circumstances.
If the entire White Court tried to take her down, they might be able to manage it, as a long-odds chance... with one particular Whamp being the "straw that broke the camels back" and that Whamp controlling Mab (and thus, Winter).
More likely, though, that she would end them.
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all that's says is they'd need their combined weight to puncture her defenses. It's clear one winner on top though. Straw though they may be, they're the straw in control of mab, not the many who put their weight in the fight. You can find a clear comparison in Ethniu. Harry didn't take her alone, but HE took her and now he could potentially unleash her under his control.(nobody in the DF seems to dispute his victory)
I'd point out it's commonly accepted she was at least as strong as Mab.
🤔 I've not dealt with you enough to say, but so you know... Reading a woj describing an exact circumstance a Whamp COULD take followed by proclaiming our different understandings and then doing the baseline, my opinion of the facts presented differs so no that couldn't happen.. does feel like a much politer version of the same things I've had to deal with 😂 careful you're not falling into the same logical fallacy though. I respect forthrightness over politeness honestly. But telling someone something is wrong based on your interpretation requires at least correlative evidence of your interpretation.
Conspiracy Theorist:
The Fae Courts were deliberately set up with the Queens as the most powerful beings roaming the mortal world, with the exception of Angels and Archangels who have their own restriction. This suggests this is the proscription of the WG. Even their major vassals are not close, nor the semi-divine like the Naagloshii. Winter could face down a collection of most of the other nations, which is why the accords exist. The Red Court, Black Court, Fomor and White Court (Cowl’s original alliance ) couldn’t defeat Winter, he needed the Titan for an overwhelming victory. Harry killed the Red Court, reformed the White and ‘defeated’ the Black Court in Battle Ground. Cowl was also banking on Titania not becoming involved, Titania though hates Harry more than Mab now.
Everyone else stays in the NeverNever in voluntary exile, are dead, powered down or in involuntary exile in Demonreach. The exception was Ethnui, who now thanks to the actions of The WG’s champion is now in Demonreach.
I wonder if Namshiel has redeemed himself with the WG in aiding Harry to enforces his proscription it certainly creates a wedge with the other Fallen.
The_Sibelis:
--- Quote ---The Fae Courts were deliberately set up with the Queens as the most powerful beings roaming the mortal world, with the exception of Angels and Archangels who have their own restriction.
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and considering we have one exception already that's completely uncountable for, it would appear your idea is in error as a totality. Loose threads that can't be explained and only ignored to make the theory valid.
--- Quote ---The exception was Ethnui
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one exception we don't have a solid answer for means we can't know if it's an exception or an unknown rule.🤔mmm in fact there are already several viable ones. Like the courts being sins would make them part of realities core, another reason TWG doesn't just expell them(same as demons even without the additional idea, they're part of the NN but don't follow respect free will accord's, or Mabs accord's apparently sometimes) and it seems to me this would also explain why she was so weak but an equal to Mab. She didn't come with titanic power even though she came in her guise as a Titan. She had the equivalent of the red courts power which equalled mab. Before the ramps died, when the fomor had less power to act in the real world apparently,(now they're making Kraken's with near impunity, changing things by force, growing from humans just like ramps,)she probably wasn't even there but in the NN. Fantastic discussion! Helped me close the loop in my own theory about it.
Oh and the courts couldn't really take on Winter when other players interfere to cripple them.
g33k:
--- Quote from: The_Sibelis on July 26, 2023, 07:48:30 AM ---... 🤔 I've not dealt with you enough to say, but so you know... Reading a woj describing an exact circumstance a Whamp COULD take followed by proclaiming our different understandings and then doing the baseline, my opinion of the facts presented differs so no that couldn't happen.. does feel like a much politer version of the same things I've had to deal with 😂 careful you're not falling into the same logical fallacy though. I respect forthrightness over politeness honestly. But telling someone something is wrong based on your interpretation requires at least correlative evidence of your interpretation.
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OK, here's where I'm coming from:
Your original post on this specific sub-tangent stated:
--- Quote ---... Mab, if taken by a whamp, would actually be enslaved by it ...
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This utterly lacks the contexts of:
* a full-on assault from the entire White Court
* the long-shot odds (it probably wouldn't even happen)
Without those, it appeared (to my reading) that you were implying a Whamp victory in a 1:1 Mab:Whamp encounter (which, to my sensibility, was a "Nope, not happening; Mab beats any Whamp, even pre-Maggie PapaRaith").
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