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In Retrospect The Relevance Of Storm Front and Full Moon

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Conspiracy Theorist:
Can a Ramp or Blamp even make Mab bleed? I doubt it, it took a Titan. It shocked everyone.

Same with Whamps. She would feed on them,not the other way round.

As regards power level someone is setting the rules, not unaccountable if they are working for the rule setter.

My guess Ethnui hid in the NeverNever pretending to be in voluntary exile.

Mira:

--- Quote ---This utterly lacks the contexts of:
 * a full-on assault from the entire White Court
 * the long-shot odds (it probably wouldn't even happen)
Without those, it appeared (to my reading) that you were implying a Whamp victory in a 1:1 Mab:Whamp encounter (which, to my sensibility, was a "Nope, not happening; Mab beats any Whamp, even pre-Maggie PapaRaith").

--- End quote ---

Agreed, let's not forget how easily Lea put the vamp part of Susan to sleep.. Just a flick of her finger if I remember correctly, so yeah, I'd day that Mab beats any vamp, though I am not positive about Mavra.

The_Sibelis:

--- Quote from: g33k on July 26, 2023, 08:13:21 PM ---OK, here's where I'm coming from:

Your original post on this specific sub-tangent stated:
This utterly lacks the contexts of:
 * a full-on assault from the entire White Court
 * the long-shot odds (it probably wouldn't even happen)
Without those, it appeared (to my reading) that you were implying a Whamp victory in a 1:1 Mab:Whamp encounter (which, to my sensibility, was a "Nope, not happening; Mab beats any Whamp, even pre-Maggie PapaRaith").

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ahh okay so I didn't think it needed context in that direction because that wasn't the point being made. The end result is the same. A whamp takes mab, they are in effect in control of Mab. The logistics of how they got there are not discussed because it wasn't relevant to what I was replying to. However, it still shows undisputed proof there is no inherent presumed mechanism stopping a whamp from taking mab or any other such being. Only the being themselves and the power they can muster against it. And as correlated with ethniu, a gased being is a gased being no matter how powerful. For the purpose of that discussion it didn't matter how the whamp gets there, only that it's proven they can indeed do so as a matter of mechanics. Give a whamp the dark hallow power boost, the mechanism of the whamp is now powerful enough to take her outright yes? Take into consideration any other sneaky way past her defenses, like blood, and it's not a proposed mechanism protecting her from being taken or controlled. Only her power and intellect.

Conspiracy Theorist:
Was the point being made.

A single Whamp even Papa Raith at his full power is far too weak. Drakul, considerably stronger than Mavra is no match for Mab. Neither is the Red King nearly cut down by Morgan. First the Ramps and Blamps have to get blood, that means approaching Mab with iron, or a Titans power. Mab would simply vaporise anyone trying the former the latter was unknown. Whamps don’t feed on lifeforce blood, so that route is attack is out  to them(unless a Whamp goes all Iron Druid and infuses his aura with iron.)

Trying to justify your original proposition by adding a Darkhallow to a Whamp is again magical thinking. Drakul has it and Harry and Cowl and that’s it. Drakul could power up with a Darkhallow to be more powerful than Mab as soon as he does he has the entire Accorded Nations on his back, so he will bide his time. Battle Ground was not that time.

The_Sibelis:

--- Quote ---Was the point being made.
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yes indeed and despite all other discussion that point has not changed in the slightest even thou you seem to be erecting a straw man around my idea being a single whamp as is can take Mab? Here let's reiterate the points that you can't move that you seem to just ignore when it suits you. Mabs, of any other God is not protected from anything taking her power by any known mechanism besides their own Will against it and whatever they can muster from that. All other points are superfluous to that. Argue and "prove" whatever you want around that. The woj proves a singular wamp can indeed control mab just like a single wizard can take Ethniu and the composition of forces is what it'd take to wear her out to that point. Not that it in any way is prohibited by TWG having an unknown, presumed mechanism to stop it. Ignoring this and trying to harp on anything else to do with it is magical thinking indeed because it doesn't change simple fact put forth in woj. A straw can indeed take mab. 🤷‍♂️ The rest of my conversation doesn't matter at all. We've been through this before when you were MR D I'm pretty sure too man.

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