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In Retrospect The Relevance Of Storm Front and Full Moon
g33k:
--- Quote from: The_Sibelis on July 24, 2023, 06:45:48 PM --- ... I'd say the woj Mab, if taken by a whamp, would actually be enslaved by it ...
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Um, cite please?
WoJ says Mab could be enslaved by a Whampire?
g33k:
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on July 25, 2023, 09:28:46 AM ---...
Eldest appears to be a Title, and denotes an accretion of power through importance like Toot ...
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I think you are going to need to _substantially_ change your understanding of "Mantles" in the Dresdenverse (I suspect some knock-on changes to some of your other Conspiracy Theories, in consequence of this fundamental misunderstanding) ...
--- Quote ---Also, if a unique denizen of Faerie akin to Cat Sith were to die, does it have a mantle that passes on? Would the next-eldest malk be able to get more powerful?
[...]
The mantle of Eldest is an important one in Faerie, and yes, it would pass on should its bearer perish.
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-- https://wordof.jim-butcher.com/index.php/word-of-jim-woj-compilation/woj-on-the-fae/
The_Sibelis:
--- Quote from: g33k on July 25, 2023, 03:30:59 PM ---Um, cite please?
WoJ says Mab could be enslaved by a Whampire?
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yep, easily findable in the mab vs section in woj.vs the entire wamp court if would be tenuous victory, but whomever actually succeeded would effectively control winter. I'll look after work if you really can't find it.
Conspiracy Theorist:
That is relative power levels, Mab alone is equalled by the Red Court, but she is not alone she can draw on Winters vassals as she did in Battle Ground and easily defeat the Red Court. This is why the Red Court avoided conflict with the Fae Courts during the war with the White Court.
The_Sibelis:
Yea, but the key idea I brought it up for(iirc) is Mab could be taken by a singular wamp in the end. No Gods are able to prevent a lesser taking their power except what they can protect by force, and guile. After all, even and especially among the gods direct fighting is not preferred
I've always had issue with this particular branch of woj actually. Because it's presented in SK that the queens are the entirety of their courts, it is their power and vice versa(I remember someone chiming in recently wondering if she's not Omni aware of her court similar to Dresden was his "bannermen") if she's the avatar of her court then the woj needs elaboration. Does it mean if they cut her off from physical backup they could match her or the two courts are actually equivalent in metaphysical power?
Looking now, thou I fear it might be lost behind a broken link in the reference section(if I'd been aware of how much of serack and co's work would be lost with the transfer... Smh, I'd have tried to preserve it)
--- Quote ---Just about the best they could hope to accomplish would be to force Mab to make an effort. Though when Mab came for them, it wouldn’t be a kick-down-the-door-and-kick-ass kind of encounter. It would be a One-two-three-four-five-Hey-weren’t-there-SIX-of-us-here-a-second-ago? situation
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god I love that he even foreshadows in his interviews. That was an awesome cat sith scene.
Here it is
--- Quote ---Hmmm. In terms of pure, raw power, several who have appeared or been mentioned in the books could pull it off, though neither side would really “win” as much as “continue to exist.” Plus, the sudden absence of Mab would do freaking HIDEOUS things to the earth. But here’s who has the necessary horsepower do it:
o Titania–though it would be a coin toss. Almost literally.
o The Mothers (who wouldn’t)
o The White Council. As in, ALL the White Council. Every wizard on the planet. And they’d need her Name.
o Drakul.
o Ferrovax.
o The Red Court–again, ALL the Red Court, though their odds wouldn’t be good.
o The entire White Court–very, very long odds on that, but if they actually pulled it off, whoever took Mab would effectively control her power.
o Cowl (if the Darkhallow had succeeded).
o A union of the old Elders of the Black Court. They were freaking scary until the Whites arranged to have them hounded down by mortals.
All of that, of course, assumes that Mab is standing there alone, outside of Faerie, and not commanding an entire nation, literally millions and millions and millions of nightmarish creatures of every description. Which she does.
There’s a REASON that when Mab said, “Sign these Accords and abide by them,” people listened. :)
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i guess it DOES specify, the conversations I've had made me think it was vaguely put.
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