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Why, historically, have the “Supernatural Nations” allowed humanity to become so

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g33k:

--- Quote from: vincentric on July 12, 2023, 04:45:19 PM --- ... As humanity grew, so did science and technology, which are the forces which allow humanity to resist the Supernatural Nations. The Supernaturals want to keep humanity down, but the tipping point in the race against science came during the Renaissance. After that, humanity expanded too quickly for them to keep up ...
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This, I think.  But in particular:  I don't think most of the Supernaturals really "get" science, don't understand what a tremendous potency it can have.

And as Harry often says, they generally run very-conservative in outlook, slow to act & even slower to recognize that they might need to act.

Exponential population-growth & humanity's observe/experiment/improve rinse-lather-repeat treatment of the natural world really combined in ways that I suspect only the Denarians (and a very few others) had recognized would happen (I bet the Black Death was Anduriel's attempt to slow down humans!).

LostInTime:

--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on July 12, 2023, 06:19:29 PM ---We have WOJ the Greco- Roman pantheon held the Gates before the Fae and that elements of that pantheon poured power into the Mantles of the Winter Court, Harry’s guess as to the mothers names indicates that.

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The Dresden Files Podcast interview of December, 2020, has Jim saying that the various pantheons traded off until TWG told them to scram. Then a sponsor came forward to set up the fae courts. The fae had always been the foot soldiers guarding the gates and the pantheon gods provided the muscle. The sponsor replaced the pantheon gods in backing up the fae and put Winter (and some Summer) on the job at the Outer Gates.

The_Sibelis:

--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on July 12, 2023, 07:58:59 AM ---At last I am not a lone voice in the wilderness. Mab is the maximum power lever the WG will allow in the mortal world, anyone more powerful had to divest themselves of power (Odin) stay in the Never Never (Hades), or end up in Demonreach (Ethnui).

I believe the White God is also responsible for thresholds and the protection they offer to humanity and perhaps dawn breaking down magic, as well as many of the limitations the Supernaturals operate under.

This left the Supernaturals powerful enough to be a threat and a spur to humanities evolution, technology and civilisation.

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I don't think it's LET so much as can handle. Angel's are bigger for instance? Though I think they have a specific quality of being exactly the same on every level. They reflect in reality what they are in totality? Though, this I think is part and parcel of the cycles alluded to. Woj is they do believe they're the originals, but just a bit of thinking about how dragons used to hold the same positions of authority and were involved in actually shaping Earth and that seems wrong.
I think the primary difference between TWG and angels power wise is actually, home turf advantage, guest rites(falling is an action that causes revocation, breaking of guest rites) and of course, outsiders trying to zombie beat their way in with the walkers just busting in spiritually as whisps of nothing holding 44's to mug reality for bits to use as its own.

I agree, sorta. It's the things he champion that are aligned with guest law. Love, hope and faith are part of what define reality and their effects pervade it. Easiest seen with the fae. Love forms thresholds which they must respect. Faith is in keeping ones faith, ones word and hope is doing ones duty

--- Quote --- I suspect because the White God is a version of the singularity, and will only come into existence when humanity, and its technology reach a certain point which has yet to happen, but will in the BAT. When created the White God is not bound by linear time but still has to close the circle and the Outsiders want to disrupt that destrying the Outer Gates. The Fallen on the other hand want their version of the White God created, hence the Fall.
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.want to BD their own WG mostly, especially Nic. Though with Marcones selfless evil, we'll see..
Now your speaking my language tho because yes, yes, yes. It keeps happening.. Merlin and DR are just the most recent variant(and maybe not even that considering)of the full circle.

Tinfoil hat:
There is a WOJ that the Enlightenment was a WC project of a previous Merlin. Plus most supernaturals seem to view humanity has cattle. And probably helped humanity to develop especially the white court. Since they believe cities are kennels

Conspiracy Theorist:
The White Court treat humans as prey, deer  to be taken from the wild, the Red Court preyed them as cattle. They consider Wizards, capable of fighting back as some sort of mutant. I do wonder if the White and Red Courts are responsible for Wizards through the process of natural selection. Those humans best equipped to detect vampires and fight back are those which survived and bred. In parallel those humans able to make tools and weapons to fight back were also naturally selected.

The curse on wizards causing them to hex technology may also be from the White God to force these two lines of natural selection to compete against each other in dealing with the supernatural . It may end when the circle is complete. The earlier version of the curse (facial disfigurement and souring milk )etc had exactly the same purpose, keeping wizards from joining in with wider society.

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