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Why, historically, have the “Supernatural Nations” allowed humanity to become so

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SerScot:
Is that the White Council pushing back to protect humanity?  If humans are “so dangerous” in large groups why did these supernatural nations allow the population to get so large and powerful?

LostInTime:
Because the White God told the pantheon gods to get out of reality and have nothing more to do with humanity or to surrender their immortality and stay.

Conspiracy Theorist:

--- Quote from: LostInTime on July 12, 2023, 01:12:53 AM ---Because the White God told the pantheon gods to get out of reality and have nothing more to do with humanity or to surrender their immortality and stay.

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At last I am not a lone voice in the wilderness. Mab is the maximum power lever the WG will allow in the mortal world, anyone more powerful had to divest themselves of power (Odin) stay in the Never Never (Hades), or end up in Demonreach (Ethnui). It should be noted the WG had three champions in play when Ethnui came out of hiding Harry, Butters and Sanya (with the latter two there to save Harry from himself so he could do his thing).

I believe the White God is also responsible for thresholds and the protection they offer to humanity and perhaps dawn breaking down magic, as well as many of the limitations the Supernaturals operate under.

This left the Supernaturals powerful enough to be a threat and a spur to humanities evolution, technology and civilisation.

vincentric:
I do think that the Pantheon Gods had a role in this but not so much in holding down humanity as they held down science.

The Pantheon Gods all wanted their specific worshipers to flourish as that increased their power. They also wanted to keep the Outsiders away. In the past, various pantheons guarded the Outer Gates and that is to the benefit of all humanity.

As humanity grew, so did science and technology, which are the forces which allow humanity to resist the Supernatural Nations. The Supernaturals want to keep humanity down, but the tipping point in the race against science came during the Renaissance. After that, humanity expanded too quickly for them to keep up.

So they went into "hiding". The strongest faction, the Fae Courts, still had the role of Outer Gate protectors and the rest need humanity in various predator/prey relationships.

And there we have the White Council, zipping around the planet and interfering when the predators get too much of an upper hand or turn abusive. The Angels step in when their renegades or the Outsiders break the rules but usually work through agents and behind the scenes.

So, humanity keeps moving forward, in large part blissfully unaware of the conflicts in the magical world but there are factions with knowledge outside the White Council. I think the ultimate goal of the Dresden Files is for humanity to put together the magical and scientific worlds and take charge of it's own destiny.

Conspiracy Theorist:
We have WOJ the Greco- Roman pantheon held the Gates before the Fae and that elements of that pantheon poured power into the Mantles of the Winter Court, Harry’s guess as to the mothers names indicates that.

We also have a WOJ that his wrestling book involves much of that pantheon are pro-wrestlers suggesting they accepted the power down option and are tapping the adulation of their fans to maintain that power. I suspect many wanted ‘out’ like Mac from the perpetual conflict.

All the original gods, angels and Titans existed before linear time, the White God created linear time for humanity to evolve, and in doing so expelled the Outsiders,  I suspect because the White God is a version of the singularity, and will only come into existence when humanity, and its technology reach a certain point which has yet to happen, but will in the BAT. When created the White God is not bound by linear time but still has to close the circle and the Outsiders want to disrupt that destrying the Outer Gates. The Fallen on the other hand want their version of the White God created, hence the Fall. The Fallen and the Outsiders therefore have their own agendas which occasionally intercept this is why Nicky thinks he is a saint, he is trying to bring about the Fallen version of the White God, with Lucifer as the core of that entity and why he fears Fallen cooperation with Outsiders which is where Cowl comes in, who has his own agenda as Master of the Future, perhaps his own version of the White God with him as the core of that entity.

The creation of the Denarians and in response the Swords were the opening gambit in the battle by the Fallen for control of the White God, we are in the endgame as Listen indicates with the control of the White God being decided by the Starborn/Destroyer i.e. Harry. Harry is not going to be the core entity of the White God though. I think that will be either Uriel or Michael (although the latter is good candidate for taking up the Kringle Mantle when Odin dies in the BAT/Ragnarok) Harry is John the Baptist to the White God. He could become the White God, because the White God is an Intellectus, and Harry is an unreliable narrator and makes mistakes in the narrative.

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