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How much information does the WC have
vincentric:
--- Quote from: Ed0517 on February 18, 2023, 01:15:58 AM ---That was against two who, in open combat, he beats easily even in Chicago. Lara lost it. Whamps are not someone who can attack a wizard at a distance and close to hand to hand. Being on Demonreach meant he could do it casually, and subdue them without hurting them. And two, not 7 or 8, all more powerful than those two. If he attacks the Wardens, LtW and Eb open up, and who knows what Mai may be able to do? And the sinking in the ground - why do we assume LtW is the only shapeshifter? And it would only take one Warden to escape, then when you are against LtW and Eb, both better than you - they get you. Maybe he could face off against them - though the Blackstaff, I don't know. But far from proven.
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You're making this all about Harry and assuming that Alfred is passive once Harry starts the action. Lara and Feydis may be weaker, but their reaction speed is better than any warden's and they were sunk without a chance to dodge. Harry can have Alfred bury them repeatedly as soon as they pop up. And all Harry has to do is break LOS from his attackers. He knows their exact locations and they'd have to search for him in a forest of actively hostile terrain, trees swatting them with bone crushing force and every animal trying to gnaw their faces off. It's far more likely that Harry gets the drop on them rather than vice versa. And that's the least Alfred can do, we don;t know what the bigger defenses actually are.
Mira:
--- Quote ---You're making this all about Harry and assuming that Alfred is passive once Harry starts the action. Lara and Feydis may be weaker, but their reaction speed is better than any warden's and they were sunk without a chance to dodge. Harry can have Alfred bury them repeatedly as soon as they pop up. And all Harry has to do is break LOS from his attackers. He knows their exact locations and they'd have to search for him in a forest of actively hostile terrain, trees swatting them with bone crushing force and every animal trying to gnaw their faces off. It's far more likely that Harry gets the drop on them rather than vice versa. And that's the least Alfred can do, we don;t know what the bigger defenses actually are.
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One of the first things Harry noticed in Turn Coat after he performed the ritual was he suddenly had knowledge of everything going on on the island. That was before he understood what he had done, no one is going to get the drop on him now on the island.
Ed0517:
--- Quote from: Mira on February 18, 2023, 04:58:19 AM --- I doubt that it would be as you describe now that there is a Warden in charge and Alfred can fully engage the island defenses. It is a maximum security prison, Merlin designed it most likely to secure it from beings a lot more powerful and bad assed than either Eb or LTW..
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Which is why the simplest response is to slam the door on the well. Smallest area to defend. Let the invaders run nuts on the surface. and if they can break contain, the big bang. But Harry, with the Wardens and Seniors, is not inside that perimeter. Alfred's main duty is preventing escape. Not protecting the warden. He has kept the doors closed without any warden at all, and will likely do so again.
Ed0517:
They approach with caution because they know Alfred can squash any one of them. given time, all of them. They don't want Eb, Ltw, and a Warden to come back to the Merlin and say "Here's Harry's head!" and have him ask "Where is Mai and the other three Wardens?" "Oh, they got squished"
Doesn't mean Harry can beat them.
Ed0517:
--- Quote from: vincentric on February 18, 2023, 09:47:04 PM ---
You're making this all about Harry and assuming that Alfred is passive once Harry starts the action. Lara and Feydis may be weaker, but their reaction speed is better than any warden's and they were sunk without a chance to dodge. Harry can have Alfred bury them repeatedly as soon as they pop up. And all Harry has to do is break LOS from his attackers. He knows their exact locations and they'd have to search for him in a forest of actively hostile terrain, trees swatting them with bone crushing force and every animal trying to gnaw their faces off. It's far more likely that Harry gets the drop on them rather than vice versa. And that's the least Alfred can do, we don;t know what the bigger defenses actually are.
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Alfred has always been somewhat passive when he is not under order. Remember him letting the fae pound on him? He didn't run Harry off. Yes, Lara and Freydis are faster. And they never got Harry into range of their attacks - they were all hand to hand. So Harry had time. If Harry faced off with the Wardens and SC, he is in range at all times. He zaps Eb and LtW, Mai zaps HIM. He has to take 7 out before they can fire.
Break LOS? First, he has to do it. You think that the Blackstaff never had to find an invisible target and deal with that? Body heat. heatbeat. Echolocation. If Joe shapeshifts to a bird - he is not ON the island, he is ABOVE it. All 8 have effective attacks, Lara and Freydis had NONE until they could close. Alfred seems to be one at a time. Why didn't he scoop up Corb and a couple of others when he got Ethniu? Because he does one thing at a time. Yes, harry could fort up, go down into the cell block before the SC arrives, lock the door behind him, and tell Alfred to chase anyone who comes on the island away, and then let harry out. But that is not the same as fighting 3 Senior Council and 4 Wardens likely more on Morgan's level than, say, Carlos.
I think harry could hole up, and set a perimeter and be very hard to root out on the ground, and impossible in the jail, but once they get on the island? haven't seen an ability to take out a lot of targets. Powerful ones, yes, even Mab, but in small numbers.
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