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How much information does the WC have
g33k:
--- Quote from: Mira on February 11, 2023, 12:19:25 PM --- It isn't just Alfred though, Harry as Warden of the island can turn the whole place into a nightmare.
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We don't actually know what sorts of low/mid powered "mass" defenses the island has, or how much of it can simultaneously-target multiple opponents. Human minds can only encompass a few at a time, so the island would need to target independently... and do it *fast,* because each and every warden there could likely launch a fatal or disabling attack within a split-second (because that's the speed they need to be, at the level they're working -- if it takes you a whole second vs. a blampire, you're already dead and it's moved on to another target).
That being said... I'm pretty sure this occurred to O.G. Merlin, and he wouldn't have left such a gaping hole in the island defenses.
Ed0517:
--- Quote from: g33k on February 11, 2023, 04:42:43 PM ---We don't actually know what sorts of low/mid powered "mass" defenses the island has, or how much of it can simultaneously-target multiple opponents. Human minds can only encompass a few at a time, so the island would need to target independently... and do it *fast,* because each and every warden there could likely launch a fatal or disabling attack within a split-second (because that's the speed they need to be, at the level they're working -- if it takes you a whole second vs. a blampire, you're already dead and it's moved on to another target).
That being said... I'm pretty sure this occurred to O.G. Merlin, and he wouldn't have left such a gaping hole in the island defenses.
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But do the defenses extend to Harry? Or just the cell block. And how many of the SC realized Harry had made the link. Even Rashid didn't know until Harry told him to check
and bad information can be worse than none. Luccio thought Ivy was on a level with the Summer and Winter Ladies. Harry pretty much says "More Mab or Titania". The wizards had her way underpowered. And missed 90% of Mavb's army, because it is at the gates. And Rashid never corrected that
Conspiracy Theorist:
--- Quote from: g33k on February 11, 2023, 04:42:43 PM ---We don't actually know what sorts of low/mid powered "mass" defenses the island has, or how much of it can simultaneously-target multiple opponents. Human minds can only encompass a few at a time, so the island would need to target independently... and do it *fast,* because each and every warden there could likely launch a fatal or disabling attack within a split-second (because that's the speed they need to be, at the level they're working -- if it takes you a whole second vs. a blampire, you're already dead and it's moved on to another target).
That being said... I'm pretty sure this occurred to O.G. Merlin, and he wouldn't have left such a gaping hole in the island defenses.
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Alfred has the capacity for multiple attacks, the Warden just needs to set him up for the correct mode and let him run with his intellectus proving further information in real time.
Mira:
--- Quote from: g33k on February 11, 2023, 04:42:43 PM ---We don't actually know what sorts of low/mid powered "mass" defenses the island has, or how much of it can simultaneously-target multiple opponents. Human minds can only encompass a few at a time, so the island would need to target independently... and do it *fast,* because each and every warden there could likely launch a fatal or disabling attack within a split-second (because that's the speed they need to be, at the level they're working -- if it takes you a whole second vs. a blampire, you're already dead and it's moved on to another target).
That being said... I'm pretty sure this occurred to O.G. Merlin, and he wouldn't have left such a gaping hole in the island defenses.
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Remember in Peace Talks after Harry brought Thomas to the island? Lara and her Valkyrie bodyguard, [sorry at five in the morning with no coffee I cannot remember her name] couldn't come close to him because the island buried Lara in mud and tossed the other back into the lake. It only allowed anyone on the island at the end of Battle Ground because Harry needed medical attention.
g33k:
--- Quote from: Ed0517 on February 12, 2023, 03:38:45 AM ---But do the defenses extend to Harry? Or just the cell block.
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Mostly, it depends.
The island seems to have limited initiative, and most of the high-powered defenses need the Warden to activate them.
Harry at Skin Game (after an extended period exploring the island and its powers) is a very-different Warden than Harry at Turn Coat (after he did the Sanctum invocation)... IIRC, TC-Harry didn't even understand that he was the "Warden" of a "Prison!"
So, the Warden is a key component of the island's defenses.
It'd be kind of silly to leave the Warden undefended, or without the extra defenses the Island could provide. Harry thought he was bluffing; the SC-members & Wardens in Turn Coat... and he was bluffing them, in that he was largely ignorant of all that power; he was just relying on the advantage of the Intellectus (and likely some halfassed "just in case" ideas about tapping the ley lines).
SG-Harry wouldn't have been bluffing ... on the island, it's likely he really could have taken a bunch of Warden hardcases and SC members, all at once.
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