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Ebenezars journal
Conspiracy Theorist:
The island is not a mantle, it’s Harry’s spouse.
His meditation in Little Things isn’t explained but at this point he is orientated towards upping the defences of the Castle in preparation for his daughter living there, installing Bob (who as Bob The Castle takes up Winter Blue colouration, but as Bob the Skull still orange) and having his Winter Vassals stay at the Castle. We are given a clue in the recent interview that Harry is going to have all sorts of liege Lord headaches due to him being the Lord of his neighbourhood. This points to his meditation being a magical exercise to get closer to Winter and the protection it brings. In this case backing Castle Dresden onto Arctis Tor, so he has a safe Winter Bolthole to the Winter Knights quarters there, rather than Leas magical murder garden. If so this may be a truly impressive feat for a mortal wizard, especially over a relatively short stretch of time
Not sure Harry has thought through having Mab as a neighbour.
Con:
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on September 25, 2022, 08:03:44 PM ---The island is not a mantle, it’s Harry’s spouse.
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I think even Lara would hesitate at that threesome.
Ebenezar specifically says 'that particular mantle'.
That's in text confirmation. That's enough for me.
Ed0517:
--- Quote from: Mira on September 25, 2022, 10:17:22 AM --- I think Harry's ice magic is a wash frankly.. Before he was Winter Knight Harry's specialty was fire magic, he was really good a kaboom, now he as Winter Knight he has incorporated ice magic, but I think it is well with in his wheel house. From that stand point, I don't think Harry is doing more powerful magic than he was before, just now one is cold as opposed to hot. I also seem to remember him, I think it was in White Night putting the freeze on a bit of Lake Michigan, that was long before he was Winter Knight.
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He had some ice magic before - just as he showed earth magic in the Deeps once, IIRC, and someone commented on it tired him out. Now it is effortless. He's better than he used to be - just as Summer gave Fix power. Maybe harry did not increase in danger as much as Fix did - basically the mantles maybe gave each man a rifle, but Harry already had the shotgun of fire, so he is a little better in that he has more choices. Though ice is more a building thing than fire is... ice plus Soulfire? Might be a good shield.
Ed0517:
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on September 25, 2022, 12:58:16 PM ---There is a WOJ that Odin traded his immortality to be able to continue to operate in the mortal world, and took on the Kringle Mantle to regain immortality.
I wonder actually if Odin’s immortality went into the Kringle Mantle. It’s the kind of sneaky thing he would do. Trade in his immortality as a huge sacrifice to be rewarded with the Mantle. I think KrIngle must have a partial intellectus, he knows whether everyone has been naughty or nice I.e. he has knowledge of a persons good and bad deeds, at least over the last year. That would be consistent with the lore and the use of intellectus in the Files. For someone in the Security Business that would be nice. He doesn’t need to vet people. If so he would have known immediately about Marcone picking up the coin. That would suggest he is keeping close to Marcone for that reason, and is doing the same now with Lara.
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Or HE is the one being used. He wants to run around Earth? "Then you have to do this job for Me" - it's not Mab's duty to give out gifts. and then be given the intellectus to be able to do the job.
--- Quote ---Everyone at the level of immortal is generally prohibited from living in the Mortal World the exceptions being the Queens, Ladies and Kringle (the Mothers power levels are so great they can’t without warping it). You can give it up, live in the NeverNever, or suffer Demonreach.
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Immortality might not be the determining limit. It might be higher. Morgan, when Harry tries to explain intellectus, says Harry's being shot example is a bad one, because most things with intellectus are immortal - so he must know a few. We have no reason to think none are on earth. Really, are even the Queens and Kringle truly immortal? Not at Halloween! And don't we have reference to a semi-immortal shapeshifter that signed the Accords? Heck, if Odin's around, what Norse god was a shapeshifter? Loki....
--- Quote ---Now the Erl King is an immortal but the Wild Hunt rides in the mortal world. Did he undertake Vassallage to Mab to permit this? It surprised me in Battle Ground that he was Mab’s Vassal, but there would have to be some reason why he would agree to be so bound.
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Maybe the Erlking is a mantle - king of the goblins. Teh giblins are her domain, or have sworn to her for some reason.
--- Quote ---The other free- roaming immortals are the Naagloshii, and they are tied to a particular geographical area. If they break that is it Demonreach? There are at least half a dozen in there.
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Naagloshi are tough, but I don't think they are immortal. Why did it run from Joe if it was? And Morgan showed one some overwhelming power - if it survived, it seems the kind of creature that would seek revenge and get Morgan over the years.
--- Quote ---My thought is that the Ladies Mantles were imbued with just enough power to render their wearers immortal.
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The Ladies are not immortal. We've seen them killed in Nevernever and on Demonreach.
--- Quote ---The Angels are immortal but are again subject to restrictions.
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the Makers of rules often do not have them apply to Themselves or Their agents. See- Congress.
Regenbogen:
--- Quote from: Ed0517 on September 26, 2022, 08:08:01 PM ---He had some ice magic before - just as he showed earth magic in the Deeps once, IIRC, and someone commented on it tired him out. Now it is effortless. He's better than he used to be - just as Summer gave Fix power. Maybe harry did not increase in danger as much as Fix did - basically the mantles maybe gave each man a rifle, but Harry already had the shotgun of fire, so he is a little better in that he has more choices. Though ice is more a building thing than fire is... ice plus Soulfire? Might be a good shield.
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Harry did ice magic before, yes... But iirc before he became Winter Knight his ice was always a product of him performing his old fuego spell. He had water, from which he took the energy to fuel his fire, letting a huge flame go up in the sky, thus turning the water to ice.
As Winter Knight he somehow simply creates ice, or so it seems. There is no exothermic energy released in form of fire, no water surface needed. And also no soulfire.
Maybe he was always able to do that and just because he is the knight now, makes him believe he must be able to create ice, so he can.
Just like he believes to be able to create fire.
Makes me wonder, if a wizard could simply create water or earth, if he strongly believes he can.
Carlos for example is said to have an affinity to water magic. Does that mean he can create water? We never see him do more water magic than his disintegrating shield. But this I think removes water, instead of adding.
Edit: as ice is just frozen water, one could say, that Harry is actually using water magic.
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