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What the heck was Justin *UP* to??!?

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g33k:

--- Quote from: forumghost on August 18, 2022, 10:06:07 PM --- Pesonally I don't think Justin was Nemesis'd at all.

Remember, we never get any actual indication that hhwb was actually sent by Justin, Harry just assumes that because hhwb mentions him.
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This has occurred to me, too.  But you don't have to be "Nemesis'd" to be arrogant -- or desperate -- enough to think you can summon an Outsider and NOT pay an outsized price; and as we know, wizards don't lack for arrogance.  Since he had stolen Kemmler's black-magic artifact -- and was working mind-control magic -- we know he was willing to repeatedly break the Laws.

The complete lack of any actual Justin+HWWB moments and/or summoning is notable, though!

Mira:

--- Quote ---I don't think it has ever been specified whether Harry's "First time" (manifesting magic) was under care of the orphanage, or Justin.  Really could have been either.  I'm inclined to think Harry showed magic at the orphanage & Justin arrived to adopt him shortly thereafter, but I know of no defiinitive answer (or even strong hints, really) either way.

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There was, I cannot remember the book, but Harry says he was about eleven.  It wasn't overt maybe, but he said it showed itself when suddenly he could out jump and run the other kids. Harry showed magic and Justin just happened to arrive shortly after to adopt him? Really? All just a coincidence?

--- Quote ---But no; Justin wasn't rando-adopting.  He wanted (and got) strong magical apprentices.

I'm unclear on whether he wanted (and got) Starborn's, or if that was someone else's arrangement (lookin' at you, Mab!); certainly, it was no accident.

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Not Mab, remember the tidbits HWWB tormented young Harry with just before Harry blew him up in the gas station.

Snark Knight:

--- Quote from: morriswalters on August 17, 2022, 12:17:38 PM ---I lay Margaret's death at Lea's feet.  A White vampire for Malcolm.  Maybe Madeline.

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I kind of doubt a WCV killing someone so quietly that their kid sleeps through it in the same hotel room. Just because he died smiling doesn't mean it was a Raith.

Mira:

--- Quote from: Snark Knight on August 19, 2022, 02:13:48 PM ---I kind of doubt a WCV killing someone so quietly that their kid sleeps through it in the same hotel room. Just because he died smiling doesn't mean it was a Raith.

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  Depends on how tired the kid is and how sound a sleeper he is.  So yeah, very plausible that six year old Harry slept through it, particularly if there was no struggle on the part of Malcolm.  Have you ever carried your sleeping child from the car to the house? While yeah, some kids do wake up, but the majority sleep through it all.

morriswalters:

--- Quote from: Snark Knight on August 19, 2022, 02:13:48 PM ---I kind of doubt a WCV killing someone so quietly that their kid sleeps through it in the same hotel room. Just because he died smiling doesn't mean it was a Raith.
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Sex isn't always loud and noisy, even for Whites. But it's just a thought.
--- Quote from: Mira on August 19, 2022, 03:44:48 AM ---There was, I cannot remember the book, but Harry says he was about eleven.  It wasn't overt maybe, but he said it showed itself when suddenly he could out jump and run the other kids. Harry showed magic and Justin just happened to arrive shortly after to adopt him? Really? All just a coincidence? Not Mab, remember the tidbits HWWB tormented young Harry with just before Harry blew him up in the gas station.

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The answer to which book is Ghost Story.

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