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What the heck was Justin *UP* to??!?

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g33k:

--- Quote from: morriswalters on August 17, 2022, 11:44:12 PM --- ... I think she shielded Margaret until Harry was born and then she let  the curse take her.
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You're right, of course.  Margaret's bargain to protect Harry likely shielded Margaret herself, as a byproduct... right up until the moment Harry was born.

g33k:

--- Quote from: Mira on August 18, 2022, 03:52:25 AM --- ...  I seriously doubt that Justin just happened to want to adopt a couple of future apprentices and came across Harry and Elaine by accident. Oh and isn't it a coincidence that one or both of them is a star child?  There is no such thing as coincidence, if Justin didn't plan it all, who he worked for did. Locating young Harry and Elaine was prearranged, their futures were prearranged... 
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I don't think it has ever been specified whether Harry's "First time" (manifesting magic) was under care of the orphanage, or Justin.  Really could have been either.  I'm inclined to think Harry showed magic at the orphanage & Justin arrived to adopt him shortly thereafter, but I know of no defiinitive answer (or even strong hints, really) either way.

But no; Justin wasn't rando-adopting.  He wanted (and got) strong magical apprentices.

I'm unclear on whether he wanted (and got) Starborn's, or if that was someone else's arrangement (lookin' at you, Mab!); certainly, it was no accident.

Tinfoil hat:
@geek and CT. BEEN THINKING OF SOMETHING I LIKE THIS FOR A WHILE. The hat was supposed to stop you stealing my thoughts before i had them. Hats off to you. Slow clapping sounds
I think the main driver for all this is Mr Sunshine.  At some point Harry is going to be like 'the world was on fire and it wasn't my fault '
Mab rolls her eyes and goes of course its not.
Then the reveal than Mab, Odin and Mr Sunshine manipulated nemesis in to infecting justin.

forumghost:
Pesonally I don't think Justin was Nemesis'd at all.

Remember, we never get any actual indication that hhwb was actually sent by Justin, Harry just assumes that because hhwb mentions him.

hhwb was definitely trying to manipulate Harry in that fight, and the last thing that Justin said before he decided to suddenly drop old-school indoctrination for magical enthrallment was that he had enemies and needed people he could trust.

Methinks he got wind of a walker looking for him and decided he needed his pet starborn ready yesterday.

Conspiracy Theorist:
Tinfoil Hat, as I point out Uriel has an overview of the Multiverse, but can hardly intervene in any particular universe. That means that Uriel can do the slightest of nudges in a universe where it will do the most good. The Dresden we see is the Dresden who is going to win, all the others failed, and we don’t see them (until Mirror Mirror).

We know Uriel has nudged this Dresden definitely by providing him with Soul Fire in Small Favour and a fully fit Michael in Skin Game. I suspect turning him down in Changes was a nudge towards the Winter Knight Mantle given that Sanya saved him, and the same in Battle Ground saving him from killing Murphy’s killer.

I think Uriel was responsible for Mouse ending up with Dresden, mouse is semi-divine himself, another nudge. We don’t see for example the universe where Harry gave Mouse back to the brother, despite Uriel’s nudge and Harry died at the hands of the black court vamp security guard. By Peace Talks Harry is recognising some of these nudges and anticipates them, he isn’t surprised Sanya is in town.

Uriel’s involvement with This Dresden I think dates from when Harry met Michael, those universes where Harry never met Michael or either never existed are all effectively dead ends from Uriel’s point of view. Uriel doesn’t need to intervene earlier than this because free will across a multiverse means at least one Dresden gets to the point of meeting Michael. He just has to wait and see.

Mab isn’t in a similar position she has only one universe  to play with but she has a greater scope of action in that universe. She isn’t an Intellectus so she won’t know Harry from Tom or Dick unless and until he comes to her attention. Lea was aware of Harry from his birth, but Lea had her own agenda for Harry, a universe where Harry Dresden became a Furry. If Mab was involved with Harry it was most likely when Mister came into Harry’s life and he was Mab’s spy (Malk Changeling theory) around 1997. If so this may have been just after Harry met Michael (we aren’t given a timing for this but it would be around 1997 given Misters Age ) which would mean Uriel tipping Mab off about Harry. One of Harry’s memories of his father was of him picking up an abandoned kitten and nursing it back to health. I wouldn’t put it past Mab to rummage around in Harry’s memories and then selecting a Malk Changeling Kitten cut off the overlong tail and leave it for Harry to find, as a spy behind his threshold, separate to Lea.

Mab only becomes actively involved following Grave Peril which gives her the opportunity to hijack Leas agenda and her bargain with Harry. Winter Law would have prevented her involvement in Leas bargains before this. This gave her a handle on Harry for the first time.

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