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Winter Lady Restrictions
Mira:
--- Quote from: LostInTime on October 06, 2022, 03:35:48 AM ---Slight correction. The prohibition against lying, or, more correctly, the requirement to tell the truth at all times is a fae requirement. Like the vulnerability to cold iron, all fae have this. Not just those under Winter Law or those that are part of Accorded nations.
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However the prohibition against lying isn't exactly true, that's why one should never bargain with the Fae unless they know exactly what they are doing and even then it is dangerous. Harry has learned this lesson the hard way and most likely will screw up again, but at least he knows what he is up against. In other words, Mab has made an art of it. She will tell you that she cannot lie, tell you the absolute truth, as far as what she is telling you.. The danger is in what she isn't telling you.
So when Harry or some else complains that isn't what they bargained for, Mab's answer is that it was, she can't lie, but you forgot to ask about a,b, or c.. So she wasn't lying, it is on you to see all the angles, not her.
g33k:
--- Quote from: Mira on October 06, 2022, 04:05:09 AM --- However the prohibition against lying isn't exactly true...
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No; it is.
It is exactly true; no more, no less.
It's us poor mortal -- and moral -- schmucks (who think "deceiving" is also a form of lying) who get in trouble. Our erroneous beliefs, preconceptions, limited information, &c &c &c... These give the fae (particularly the powerful and well-informed Mab) a HUGE advantage in terms of bargains and trickery.
Mira:
--- Quote from: g33k on October 07, 2022, 01:54:40 AM ---No; it is.
It is exactly true; no more, no less.
It's us poor mortal -- and moral -- schmucks (who think "deceiving" is also a form of lying) who get in trouble. Our erroneous beliefs, preconceptions, limited information, &c &c &c... These give the fae (particularly the powerful and well-informed Mab) a HUGE advantage in terms of bargains and trickery.
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I guess it depends on how you define what lying is.. Or rather understand that one can be dishonest without lying. A good rule perhaps is do not trust someone you are dealing with when they open with, "I cannot tell a lie," ergo trust me.
morriswalters:
--- Quote from: worthnew on August 18, 2022, 05:31:13 AM ---i read that sentence in cold case, and bells and light bulbs were going off in my head. there's so much info here. but i just didn't see anyone commenting on this.
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They'll get to it eventually when they come up for air.
The term lie is nebulous at best. As far as I can tell Mab can't tell a straight up untruth, saying for instance the moon is made of cream cheese. She can certainly tell lies of omission. The example that come to mind is when she takes Harry's blasting rod and his memories of ever having it in the first place.
vincentric:
Deception can take many forms, lying is just the most blatant.
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