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Winter Lady Restrictions
g33k:
--- Quote from: ElusivePan on August 11, 2022, 12:00:42 PM --- If Nemesis could subvert her nature to that extent, then it would've been able to destroy the mantle, according to Mab's warning.
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We don't know precisely what Nemfection can and cannot do.
My theory is that it does in fact eliminate that limit -- the Lady'sMantle won't even "notice" a Nemfected Lady have sex... become pregnant... even give birth.
It subverts all those things.
ElusivePan:
--- Quote from: g33k on August 15, 2022, 08:05:46 PM ---We don't know precisely what Nemfection can and cannot do.
My theory is that it does in fact eliminate that limit -- the Lady'sMantle won't even "notice" a Nemfected Lady have sex... become pregnant... even give birth.
It subverts all those things.
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I agree we don't know the total extent of Nemesis's power.We can, however, make some guesses. We know that when Aurora was infected, Nemesis did not destroy Aurora's mantle, but rather attempted to take Summer's knight mantle out of play by petrifying Lily. I believe if Nemesis could've destroyed Aurora's mantle, that particular plot wouldn't have been necessary.
My guess is that while Nemesis can infect the holder of a mantle and influence his or her actions, it can not actually directly manipulate the mantle to such a point. If it was within Nemesis's power to allow Aurora to lay with a man and become pregnant, it would've done so, because it would have achieved its goal at that point.
g33k:
--- Quote from: ElusivePan on August 17, 2022, 04:53:19 PM ---I agree we don't know the total extent of Nemesis's power.We can, however, make some guesses. We know that when Aurora was infected, Nemesis did not destroy Aurora's mantle, but rather attempted to take Summer's knight mantle out of play by petrifying Lily. I believe if Nemesis could've destroyed Aurora's mantle, that particular plot wouldn't have been necessary.
My guess is that while Nemesis can infect the holder of a mantle and influence his or her actions, it can not actually directly manipulate the mantle to such a point. If it was within Nemesis's power to allow Aurora to lay with a man and become pregnant, it would've done so, because it would have achieved its goal at that point.
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I agree that the control usually isn't complete.
Cat Sith was "completely" controlled most of the time, but sometimes could break through, for a bit.
Justine I think was completely controlled.
Because Winter embraces ambition & treachery, and Lea was in a "Frenemies" relationship with Mab, she and Nemesis had some clear alignments that let Nemesis lead Lea unwittingly into non-Winter & Law-violating paths.
Similarly, Aurora just wanted to end the cycles of pain and suffering. Her Summery compassion gave Nemesis channels of sympathy to play upon.
HOWEVER: if a Mantle detected its Lady getting "down & dirty" -- no longer a Maiden -- I think it would depart the (ex-)Lady for the nearest vessel; or to the Queen or even the Mother, for safekeeping & to be deployed later.
worthnew:
--- Quote from: ElusivePan on August 12, 2022, 08:21:39 PM ---Cold Case, Mab to Molly: "Maiden, mother, and crone. You are the maiden, Lady Molly. And for you to be otherwise, to become a mother, would be to destroy the mantle of power you wear. The mantle protected itself—as it must."
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i read that sentence in cold case, and bells and light bulbs were going off in my head. there's so much info here. but i just didn't see anyone commenting on this.
LostInTime:
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on August 11, 2022, 12:20:38 PM ---The obligation against lying is Winter Law not particular to the Mantle, so Nemesis suborned Winter Law, breaking the restrictions of the Mantle would have meant Maeve becoming a undifferentiated lump of protoplasm. The same happened with the Mantleless Lea.
This fits in with my theory that Nameless became subject to Winter Law solely in order to destroy it, (he is a Demi-god of Discord, and a crooked Lawyer) his aiding Nemesis just one of the aspects of his attack. Without Winter Law then Winter would lose its coordination, massively undermining the defence of the Gates. Oh and Nameless is Cowl of course.
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Slight correction. The prohibition against lying, or, more correctly, the requirement to tell the truth at all times is a fae requirement. Like the vulnerability to cold iron, all fae have this. Not just those under Winter Law or those that are part of Accorded nations.
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