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A Thought About The Items From Hades
g33k:
--- Quote from: Basil on July 08, 2022, 04:47:38 PM --- ... (Plot hole for BG: Why didn't Harry use Soul Fire on Ethniue?).
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Because she's a couple of orders of magnitude tougher than anyone he's ever faced?
Remember: she punted Mab.
Shagnasty was more outraged at Harry's presumptuousness, than injured by Harry using Soulfire. LTW, on his own, forced Shagnasty to retreat. Jim has stated that the *entire* Senior Council, with maximum preparation/readiness, would most-likely lose if they fought Mab.
Mira:
--- Quote from: g33k on July 08, 2022, 09:05:35 PM ---Because she's a couple of orders of magnitude tougher than anyone he's ever faced?
Remember: she punted Mab.
Shagnasty was more outraged at Harry's presumptuousness, than injured by Harry using Soulfire. LTW, on his own, forced Shagnasty to retreat. Jim has stated that the *entire* Senior Council, with maximum preparation/readiness, would most-likely lose if they fought Mab.
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Also Harry understands Soulfire better now. Remember his eureka moment about it in Cold Days when he used it to stop Mother Winter from killing him. He knows now that it is more than just something to enhance spells etc.. So because of his understanding I doubt he would have used it on Ethinu.
Avernite:
--- Quote from: Eguzky on July 07, 2022, 03:15:21 AM ---Well, what if we changed 'absolve humanity of sin' to 'protect humanity from Outsiders'?
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How about a combo, and the sin in question was calling up Outsiders?
seanham:
--- Quote from: Basil on July 08, 2022, 04:47:38 PM ---(Plot hole for BG: Why didn't Harry use Soul Fire on Ethniue?).
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I have had the same thought. I wonder if Harry used so much Soul Fire when creating his ice wall to slow down the Jotuns that he didn't want to risk using anymore? Or after losing Murphy he couldn't access it temporarily. Remember Bob said that the soul grows back with laughter and joy (or something like that), maybe Harry didn't have any joy in him when facing Ethniue so he couldn't use it? Like when Harry couldn't create the pocket chief of sunshine in SK because of what happened to Susan.
BrainFireBob:
--- Quote from: Basil on July 08, 2022, 04:47:38 PM ---The Shroud, the Placard, the Spear, the Grail, the Sword and the Coins are not Outsider specific artifacts. They just happen to be effective against everything -- as Dresden notes about the Spear. He says, it was more real than everything else, it was not just a spear -- it was a spear against everything. Nicodemus intended to use the pseudo-Shroud to start a plague when we first met him. I think it more likely that they are all-purpose items.
As for JC being a Star Born -- I dunno, it doesn't seem like the timing works out, every 666 years or so from 4 BC means Star Born cycles at 662AD, 1328AD and 1994AD. Dresden (and Butcher) are GenX'ers to the core and so the timing is off by several decades, regardless of whether you use 7BC, 4BC or 1AD for the birth of JC.
As for JC being Nemfected, that seems unlikely. JC is a person of the Trinity, so the HS and the Father would also be Nemfected. Whether you personally believe in God, clearly that being is "real" for purposes of the Dresdenverse and according to the Nicene Creed -- the Father and the Son are of the same substance:
Personally, I do not believe that Angels are contained within the Placard, Shroud, Grail or Spear. There are Angels in the Swords, just as there are Demons in the Coins. I don't think an imprisoned (willing or otherwise) being is required to make a potent artifact. I'm fairly sure that no Demon resides in Marcone's butterfly knife, which he successfully used on Ethniue, it worked because Marcone has Infernal sponsorship. (Plot hole for BG: Why didn't Harry use Soul Fire on Ethniue?).
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33 BC. Crucified in 1AD. Cycle fits perfectly. Bit out of date for modern thinking, but it's been bandied.
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