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A Thought About The Items From Hades
Conspiracy Theorist:
--- Quote from: Arjan on July 11, 2022, 11:06:24 AM ---I think the items are older than Christianity and just got extra meaning attached.
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There is a WOJ to that effect. The Spear could be Zeus Thunderbolt (capable of killing gods), the Shroud the Golden Fleece etc etc. they have had many names over the millenia.
Eguzky:
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on July 11, 2022, 12:42:08 PM ---There is a WOJ to that effect. The Spear could be Zeus Thunderbolt (capable of killing gods), the Shroud the Golden Fleece etc etc. they have had many names over the millenia.
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One would think Zeus would be miffed that another deity took his item?
Jim has been very careful to avoid angering any one religion by trying to compare powers, so I don't know how it'd go to have relic theft.
Then again; one could argue that Zeus gave up his Thunderbolt explicitly to make it stronger, since everyone agrees Outsiders are bad news.
Conspiracy Theorist:
The Greek Gods were the Defenders before Winter, so it might have consensual.
The White God is God, Zeus is a god, it depends on the deal Zeus cut with the White God. Hades decided to live permanently in NeverNever, Odin in the mortal world at the expense of his immortality. Zeus may have cut an Odin deal and died long since without the equivalent of the Kringle Mantle, he might be living it up in retirement in Olympus.
Eguzky:
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on July 11, 2022, 10:44:20 PM ---The Greek Gods were the Defenders before Winter, so it might have consensual.
The White God is God, Zeus is a god, it depends on the deal Zeus cut with the White God. Hades decided to live permanently in NeverNever, Odin in the mortal world at the expense of his immortality. Zeus may have cut an Odin deal and died long since without the equivalent of the Kringle Mantle, he might be living it up in retirement in Olympus.
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Well, Olympus would be in the Nevernever, right?
Dresden has said that most afterlife areas seem to be areas of faerie. I think the line was something like '<something> is in faerie. So are hades, ghenna, and a dozen other reported afterlives'.
At this point, since What Comes Next is unknown (Ghost Story), this leads me to believe the gods (lower-case g) have NeverNever realms, while the White God has something more.
That said; I did not know the Greek gods were defenders before Winter (Must have been a side story I did not read?). So I would not be surprised if Zeus did give his Lightening to the White God.
But even if the Placard or the Dagger is Zeus's Bolt, and was used against Outsiders in Zeus's time; these items were sill part of Christ's crucifixion or life now. Which would lend weight that Christ did something to help strengthen them further, possibly against Outsiders.
(Also sorry for the slow reply; I went into the ER last Monday and had my gallbladder removed. Been recovering)
Conspiracy Theorist:
The closest parts of the NeverNever to the mortal world is Faerie. That’s why most of the Ways travel through it.
It’s a WOJ about the Previous Defenders but can be deduced from whose power they made the Mantles of Faerie the current Defenders.
I believe the White God has issued a proscription on god Level beings being active in the mortal world, the Queens are the most powerful tolerated, (and that I think was designed into the Mantles) the more powerful Mothers stay in the NeverNever, along with the likes of Hades, in their own realms, very deep within the NeverNever difficult for Wizards to reach.
Some gods took a demotion like Odin to stay in the mortal world, great Dragons like Mr Ferro manifest only part of their power. Ethnui was in breach of that Proscription, and ended up having two Knights and the White God’s Favourite Idiot sicced on her, leaving her in the one place in the Mortal World the White God accepts her presence, Demonreach.
As Mr Ferro said his full presence in the mortal world would break it, which is why the god level beings are not allowed there.
The only reason for this is to allow humanity to evolve, they will be the next Defenders, and given Jim’s age and reading habits humanity when it builds up its numbers and technology will create the Singularity AKA the White God.
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