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Arjan:

--- Quote from: morriswalters on April 26, 2022, 02:44:56 PM ---I'm not interested in the concept of absolute morality.  I'm interested in what Butcher wrote.  And he states it explicitly.

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From the swords point of view. I think Jim uses both concepts.

Mira:

--- Quote from: Arjan on April 26, 2022, 03:52:45 PM ---From the swords point of view. I think Jim uses both concepts.

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Well, we know what happens when the person wielding the Sword breaks the rule about giving the opposition a chance to surrender and repenting.  The Sword breaks, Jim has been very clear about that from the beginning.  As in Harry didn't understand why Michael and Sanya let Cassius go after he gave up his coin. They explained that their business was enabling redemption not punishment.  Harry then handed out some punishment, Sanya agreed with his sentiments, but he did not break the rule of the Sword.

g33k:

--- Quote from: Yuillegan on April 26, 2022, 07:05:19 AM --- ... Another thing to note is that we actually don't know that Marcone had no magical talent prior. According to Jim, any human can learn magic. Namshiel clearly helped Marcone fast-track, and Marcone is FAR more driven and organised than Harry, so I can imagine he has spent far more time developing than Harry has in recent years (given Harry has been on the back foot and learning on the go for the same period). But suppose for a second Marcone actually has always had magical talent. It would change everything. I mean, he knew EXACTLY what a soul gaze was in Storm Front. He actually got the better of Harry in that moment. And if you examine the language that Jim uses with Marcone over the years he often says things like "He pulled out a knife so fast it appeared as if by magic" and such. This is a writing technique. Now he might be just saying Marcone is exceptionally quick. But considering how often he has said that...it is quite possible he was hinting Marcone was actually magically inclined. It's a reinforcement/foreshadowing thing. And Marcone works in the shadows, unlike Harry. He would make damn sure most don't know about that hidden talent. It's an ace up the sleeve. Think about how long he managed to keep his status as a Knight of the Blackened Denarius secret, that he was the bearer of Thorned Namshiel's Coin. 
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Hmm.  Did Harry ever shake hands (or otherwise have skin/skin contact, including a slap or a punch or etc?) with Marcone?  He rescued Marcone a couple of times; did it happen then?

I don't actually recall any such...

I was going to disagree with you, but... this element suggests you may be correct.  I expect Marcone has a good enough "read" on Harry to know Harry would find "handshake from a crime-lord" offensive (and therefore would do so!) ... unless he was protecting this particular secret.

I mean, the case for "Marcone was always a practitioner" is hardly proven!  But it looks like a solid, credible theory.

(Add in the "corpsetaker" facts, (a) that she was looking for a "suitable" body to be able to properly express her own talents, & (b) that Luccio couldn't make swords in the new body (even though it apparently had SOME magical talent, or the corpsetaker wouldn't have been wearing it).  So Marcone having (at least some) inherent talent seems a likely explanation for Namshiel being able to so quickly do the power-up.



--- Quote from: Yuillegan on April 26, 2022, 07:05:19 AM --- ... It's no accident that Jim wrote the Jedi-Sith moment with Harry firing lightning at Butters (like a Sith) and Butter's using his Fidelacchius (in lightsabre form) to deflect it - it's a clear reference. And Harry is the Sith Lord in the scene ... 
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--- Quote from: Yuillegan on April 26, 2022, 07:05:19 AM --- ... And Harry is the Sith Lord in the scene. He has likened himself to Darth Vader in the past. And like Vader, his emotions often get the benefit of him and he is prepared to meet out harsh vengeance on those he believes are evil and have wronged him ...
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I feel stupid now...
I hadn't put these two in conjunction before.
TYVM!

Conspiracy Theorist:
There there, Harry used green gold lightening, it put you off.

Fcrate:
@Yuillegan: #6: exactly. Harry has killed a lot of people. In dead beat he shot Luccio in the back of her head, and killed the Denarian in cold blood, he was no threat, but he killed him as punishment. And Uriel indirectly condoned it later on by saying that he sent an incipient knight of the cross for help.
The point is, the emotional reaction after getting burned by the sword is not very believable. It might have been if Harry was a normal man, and a pacifist and perhaps a member of PETA, but even a normal man who's never killed before won't be crying in shame, he'll be furious, but maybe understanding that he's either beaten and can't get on with the task or that it's morally wrong, so he'll grudgingly concede and maybe skullstomp the killer a little bit.
But Harry is not normal now, is he?@ Mira: Didn't Marcone pull him out of the water in Death Masks? They've had so much contact with each other, and been in a lot of fights together.
Edit: I think Luccio's block is mental, not physical. Corpsetaker seems able to efficiently use his magic regardless of the body. At least in dead beat. In ghost story that changed a bit, but he still said that it was "workable".

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