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Battle ground questions
Mira:
--- Quote ---But Harry is not normal now, is he?@ Mira: Didn't Marcone pull him out of the water in Death Masks? They've had so much contact with each other, and been in a lot of fights together.
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That doesn't make Marcone a practitioner, Harry and Michael have been in more fights together. Harry would have seen it in his soul gaze with Marcone when he first met him.
--- Quote ---@Yuillegan: #6: exactly. Harry has killed a lot of people. In dead beat he shot Luccio in the back of her head, and killed the Denarian in cold blood, he was no threat, but he killed him as punishment. And Uriel indirectly condoned it later on by saying that he sent an incipient knight of the cross for help.
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No exactly true as far as Luccio goes, it was her body but she no longer occupied it, the Corpstaker did.
g33k:
--- Quote from: Fcrate on April 26, 2022, 09:25:59 PM --- ... Edit: I think Luccio's block is mental, not physical. Corpsetaker seems able to efficiently use his magic regardless of the body. At least in dead beat. In ghost story that changed a bit, but he still said that it was "workable".
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Not all magical gifts are equal; neither in their magnitude, nor their aptitude. Harry has explained this repeatedly, and we see it in various White Council wizards, and in the commentary of other characters about Harry.
Corpsetaker may have found a more "sympathetic" gift for magic in the cute young blonde he swapped Luccio into; she may have had an inherent aptitude for mind-magic and/or necromancy... But *NOT* the aptitude for enchanting swords with Unravellings. We don't know what Corpsetaker would have made of Luccio's body's own inherent power...
But Corpsetaker has:
* scary-huge amounts of skill, such that even a "half-power body" still makes for a terrifying foe
* tremendous experience with how best to work with new bodies, learn strengths & shortcomings, etc (experience no White Council wizard could possibly have)
g33k:
--- Quote from: Mira on April 26, 2022, 11:09:02 PM --- That doesn't make Marcone a practitioner, Harry and Michael have been in more fights together. Harry would have seen it in his soul gaze with Marcone when he first met him...
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Not necessarily! Soulgaze isn't an "comprehensive inventory" of all aspects of a person.
If Marcone had a relatively-minor talent -- one that wasn't a major part of his identity; maybe even one so minor/uncontrolled that he doesn't even know he has it -- I think the "Soul of a Tiger" effect & the core of shame (for having ruined a little girl's life) might have obscured any traces of the talent from Harry's 'gaze.
We already know that subtlety & delicacy aren't Harry's strong suits! I bet there were dozens of minor things about Marcone that Harry missed (and about Harry, that Marcone missed)...
--- Quote from: Mira on April 26, 2022, 11:09:02 PM --- That doesn't make Marcone a practitioner ...
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Notwithstanding my arguments above -- you're right. None of that argument, nor anything in the books (that I recall), "makes Marcone a practitioner."
There is no proof of it, at all... other than the fact that Marcone shows up in Battle Ground with heavy-duty power, and ample skill. And that doesn't prove anything. For all we know, Marcone was letting Namshiel "pilot" his body, much like Lash was allowed to "pilot" Harry's speech to use ancient Sumerian & Etruscan.
morriswalters:
If Marcone is using magic without the aid of Thorned Namshiel then Butcher has broken canon over his knee. Even if he picked up the coin in the helicopter you can't make a silk purse from a sows ear. But it's Butchers book and he can do as he pleases.
Before I commented I wanted to reread the fight. It plays out pretty much as I remembered. Rudolph frightened out of his mind and left behind by Bradley at Harry's command. Picking up the gun that Bradly had taken from him. With bad trigger discipline. A jury would never convict him of murder in the US. Maybe of no crime at all. And Harry has killed precisely one mortal with magic.
Butcher had to show Harry getting emotional relief for the events. If he doesn't break down then the passage serves absolutely no purpose. He has to show remorse and grief. And the reader has to understand the why. He goes through a lot of effort in Peace Talks preparing for this moment.
Remember why Corpsetaker need a powerful wizard in Ghost Story.
Conspiracy Theorist:
Unless Namshiel knows something Corpsetaker doesn’t.
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