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Battle ground questions
Fcrate:
I have just finished rereading Battleground.. I was less impressed with it the second time around, but many of my original sore points are the same. I don't know if anyone posted the answers before..
1. Who were the older wardens of Demonreach? And how did they trap beings that according to Harry, were much stronger than Ethniu? And when? And what exactly is stronger than a Titan?
2 .How did Justine get super-strength? There wasn't any mention of that in earlier possessions by Nemesis.
3. In Turncoat, Justine told the captain of the wardens about Thomas being Harry's brother. Effectively putting itself at risk of losing a favorable position in the White Court. Also in ghost story, Uriel shows Thomas and Justine to Harry, assuring him that his brother will be alright. So the archangel didn't know? Which makes me think that "Justine being Nemfected" wasn't in Jim's plan back then. It lacks consistency.
4. Why, after a few chapters of telling us that the Winter Knight's office was created to actually manifest a banner and lead troops in battle, do we find Marcone manifesting a banner as well?
5. How the hell did Marcone get enough juice to stand off a Titan for a few minutes when all other gods and immortals lost in a couple of seconds? Marcone was always purely vanilla. Zero magical ability. Yet he picks up a coin with a sorcery sensie fallen angel and he becomes a wizard? Older evidence suggests that it doesn't work like that. I remember in Death Masks Jim said that "over centuries, even a small scale talent develops teeth". Marcone didn't have that to start with. And he only had the coin for a few years.
Finally, and this is not a question: I never liked Murphy as a character, and I'm glad she's finally dead, but the scene with the knights stopping Harry from making a Rudolph Burger - and Harry crying afterwards and regretting attacking him- is just horrible and overblown. I mean.. His gf was shot dead in front of him, he can do something about it, I think this is the time to start cutting off bits of Rudolph, and it's quite childish to expect otherwise.
I liked the scene at the end of the movie "Seven" much better. Much more believable.
Conspiracy Theorist:
1. The OG Merlin and Heinrich Kemmler for two, there is a huge summoning circle of Demonreach, so with time to research and prepare you can bring the Big Bad to the island that way. Harry had neither for Ethnui. Baelor, Ethnui’s dad for one.
2. The earlier possessions by Nemesis we have seen were of already supernaturally strong individuals. This is the first vanilla mortal.
3. Justine was infected when Maeve died in Cold days, the Mantle went to Molly, Nemesis went to Justine. Molly had been trained in mental badassery and had even beaten Corpsetaker, Justine had a fragile psyche. Previous hosts were either willing like Maeve, or invaded by a prepared vector (like Lea), the invasion of Justine was neither prepared nor willing.
4. It was a clue that Marcone was also a Knight. The winter Knight Mantle was patterned after something, most likely the knights of the Blackened Denarius. I be the Kights of the Sword could also manifest a banner in the right circumstances, both Marcone and Harry considered Chicago ‘their’ City to defend, Michael could probably have manifested a Banner during Battle Field as well, it is his city as well.
Butters a servant of the City (and Ill served by it no, he probably could in San Diego during Comic-Con though), Sanya is a citizen of the world, no local connection to the people in it, no banner.)
5. Marcone has one of the most formidable wills known in a vanilla human, he has even turned down Lara’s come hither. That will, that focus with even the most marginal of talents would be enough.
The Knights were there not to stop Ethnui, but to stop Harry from becoming a monster in his own eyes, his own greatest fear, which had previously led him to try to kill himself. That was the role of Murphy’s death a goad to his humanity unlike any other, the sheer outrage and the instrument behind it being so loathsome. My view Lucifer was behind Rudy’s lax trigger finger to make him a Starborn more in his image. It’s why the Knights were there to intervene.
morriswalters:
1. Butcher isn't clear on when the prison was occupied or who captured the most powerful of them. In point of fact he is so vague that my mother could have built the prison in the future after her death. When Butcher wants to lie he uses Bob to do the deed. He has half of fandom believing that Rashid time travels because of Proven Guilty while he describes something completely different in the text.
2. No vanilla human had been nemfected prior to this. So he had an open field.
3. He has this running gag with all these mind visitors being invisible. It brings to mind this ditty.
--- Quote ---Yesterday, upon the stair, I met a man who wasn't there! He wasn't there again today, Oh how I wish he'd go away!
--- End quote ---
There's a club for everyone who has spent time in the hotel Dresden.
4. I have no idea.
5. Don't question the obvious. He got it because Butcher cares for canon only when it suits him. He killed every character that didn't have a magical basis. Thus Murphy and Hendricks. He had to put angels in the swords because he created a weapon that couldn't be used in a fight. Marcone needed a power up to stay relevant. So Butcher threw canon to the winds and Bob's your uncle. Marcone is officially a heavy hitter. This is the second time he has done this with the first being Butters. From zero to hero in one book and two hot werewolf babes to drive home the point. His inner fan boy has gotten a little out of control in this respect.
On Murphy's death. There is another purpose. First she wasn't murdered, which was what the putting Harry in Rudolph's shoes is telling you. The shooting was accidental. The other is to sell you on Harry being a ruthless killer when provoked, the Destroyer so to speak. This has been going on since Storm Front, with someone there to stop him before he goes over the edge.
LaraBeck:
About Murphy's death... Well, it was the Knights of the Cross who actually helped her get in the battlefield to be with Harry, so it seems to me like the White God knew pretty well what was going to happen: that Harry would need help with the Jotun, Murphy would be the one that could help him for some reason, and that he would feel a little better with she around. TWG probably knew that she would die that night and that Harry would need help with that too, so that's why the knights remain there with him too.
I guess it could be argued to some extent that it was TWG who set the whole thing up actually. But we'll see.
I think the scene made sense, as much as I didn't like it, it did. It was supposed to show us how Harry was so on the edge that night, and how he was very close to turn into a monster, and that was why the sword hurt him. I don't think the consequences ended that night, though, we'll see more about this whole thing in the next couple of books maybe.
Fcrate:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on April 23, 2022, 05:19:38 PM ---5. Don't question the obvious. He got it because Butcher cares for canon only when it suits him. He killed every character that didn't have a magical basis. Thus Murphy and Hendricks. He had to put angels in the swords because he created a weapon that couldn't be used in a fight. Marcone needed a power up to stay relevant. So Butcher threw canon to the winds and Bob's your uncle. Marcone is officially a heavy hitter. This is the second time he has done this with the first being Butters. From zero to hero in one book and two hot werewolf babes to drive home the point. His inner fan boy has gotten a little out of control in this respect.
On Murphy's death. There is another purpose. First she wasn't murdered, which was what the putting Harry in Rudolph's shoes is telling you. The shooting was accidental. The other is to sell you on Harry being a ruthless killer when provoked, the Destroyer so to speak. This has been going on since Storm Front, with someone there to stop him before he goes over the edge.
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That was my thought as well. And already Butters is managing "basics" of magic spells, right after "he didn't have a lick of talent, but used Molly to implement his theories, and Bob to power up his constructs.
--- Quote from: LaraBeck on April 23, 2022, 07:39:39 PM ---About Murphy's death... Well, it was the Knights of the Cross who actually helped her get in the battlefield to be with Harry, so it seems to me like the White God knew pretty well what was going to happen: that Harry would need help with the Jotun, Murphy would be the one that could help him for some reason, and that he would feel a little better with she around. TWG probably knew that she would die that night and that Harry would need help with that too, so that's why the knights remain there with him too.
I guess it could be argued to some extent that it was TWG who set the whole thing up actually. But we'll see.
I think the scene made sense, as much as I didn't like it, it did. It was supposed to show us how Harry was so on the edge that night, and how he was very close to turn into a monster, and that was why the sword hurt him. I don't think the consequences ended that night, though, we'll see more about this whole thing in the next couple of books maybe.
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The shooting being accidental is irrelevant. He picked up a gun, aimed it and pulled the trigger. I still think that Harry should've burnt him into a crisp or something, and it wouldn't have anything to do with Winter either. Humans do vengeance fine on their own. Rudolph will never face justice. The only witnesses are a persona non-grata and someone with a horrible eyesight. Come to think of it, Harry always freezes when somebody aims a gun at him, and his thoughts are "I probably won't have time to put up a shield before he shoots" while the conversation lasts for minutes.
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