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How the hell did Blood on his Soul survive being mulched to a pulp
g33k:
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on April 08, 2022, 01:39:17 PM --- I wonder if the Hellound SHOT the coin out of the Denarian. That would do it probably.
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Probably would, at that!
Heck, for all we know Kincaid has a private side-deal with Sanya, and can buy a case of KotC-blessed bullets... ;-)
Ed0517:
--- Quote from: g33k on April 08, 2022, 11:22:57 PM ---<heh>
Probably would, at that!
Heck, for all we know Kincaid has a private side-deal with Sanya, and can buy a case of KotC-blessed bullets... ;-)
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Gotta be careful with blessed bullets - understand when guns started in Europe some claimed they were a tool of the devil, and tested regular bullets against blessed silver bullets with crosses engraved... and the guns were considered cursed because the regular bullets shot markedly better.....
(DUH _ Silver is much harder than lead. The silver bullets do not take to rifling well, the spin is erratic, and so the trajectory is too. Sorry Lone Ranger.)
Conspiracy Theorist:
My thought is that for full symbiosis the coins have to be in contact with the host, if contact is broken you have the shadow until contact is resumed. As powerful as Lash was she couldn’t heal Harry, whereas Lasciel could have. Once the host dies so does the shadow.
Shooting the coins out would work, the host would die along with the shadow, as it is unable to heal the host.
Going hive mind works as Tessa did, one of he subunits would be in physical contact with her coin, and the rest would have the shadow of her Denarian, it’s how she is able to control them, the shadow is doing it.
Marcone doesn’t have his Denarius implanted, he has it on a chain around his neck so he exposed this as a potential weakness to Harry without probably knowing it, Namshiel would have known to tell Marcone this, so Namshiel is holding things back. Alternatively Marcone does know but wants to be separate from Namshiel part of the time on his terms, (he wasn’t wearing the coin during the infamous locker room scene) to keep control over Namshiel.
Blood In His Stool would likely have had his coin implanted or ingested, so he would have survived for a considerable part of the process of being rendered into mincemeat, but at some point the coin would have separated from his conscious flesh killing him. Unless Sasquatch have a decentralised consciousness, like Tessa uses, at this point Blood would have died in Hades domain with Hades control over his ghost. The only things that Blood had to trade were the coin, and information. Hades physically had the coin, so Blood could only have traded information what was Nicky up to, his true target and long-term plans. Hades is a powerful god in in his own desmesne, he could have traded the release of Blood’s ghost. It is Blood’s ghost, making itself an ectoplasm body which has been seen. A Sasquatch Ghost must be immensely more powerful than a human ghost more in line with a spirit like Bob. I wonder if this is where the Wendigo myth would fit in? That Wendigo are Genowswa who have died possessing humans, shapechanging them back to their original form, adding ectoplasm to increase their bulk. If Blood knew this it is very much worth his while to bargain for his release, he has an option other souls don’t.
If so Blood would be diverting considerable power to keeping his ectoplasm body together, and would be vulnerable to the Dawn. Those are advantages Harry can exploit, especially with Mortimer’s help. However there may be an innocent mortal human inside creating a dilemma for Harry.
I think these two theories explain coherently how the coins have worked consistently in series and the Wendigo theory explains Blood being out and about. The latter makes sense and puts a new monster from myth into the Dresden canon. Bloods no longer a Genowskwa, he’s a Wendigo.
Ed0517:
I don't think being in contact with your coin is foolproof - Eldest Gruff took out Magog still holding his coin, and his head on, and didn't several drown in the aquarium when Harry blasted the glass? They were not separated from their coins that we know of until they died.
Question on the Wendigo - if you lure it into a circle and activate.... the ectoplasm turns to goop, right? Have we seen evidence a Forest People can possess anything? They have been resistant to magic, but how much have we seen them USE it? They may be so resistant they cannot manipulate it. Maybe it is a spirit and ALL ectoplasm? If so, Harry goes and sees Forthill, and comes out with the SuperSoaker of Doom.... 1 squirt banishes the ghost and dispels the ectoplasm...
g33k:
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on April 09, 2022, 11:06:41 AM --- My thought is that for full symbiosis the coins have to be in contact with the host, if contact is broken you have the shadow until contact is resumed. As powerful as Lash was she couldn’t heal Harry, whereas Lasciel could have. Once the host dies so does the shadow...
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Two points, here --
First, the host has to actually make a "deal with the devil," has to agree "I will work with you." Details of the deal don't really matter; if the mortal agrees to work with the Fallen, they are a Knight of the Blackened Denarius. It looks like you're correct, that contact is required: recall that Cassius really really wanted to regain the Denarius he had lost; but I think you're wrong that they automatically have a Fallen-Shadow if they lose their coin, or Cassius would have been able to simply summon his coin.
Second -- Lash wasn't "powerful," except insofar as "knowledge is power." She didn't really "exist" at all; she was like an imaginary-friend, and existed entirely as a facet of Harry's own mind: unable to affect the real world except insofar as she could affect Harry's mind & covertly influence his judgmement; and/or overtly convince him to do things. She had no power... she couldn't heal Harry... but she could have taught him how to heal himself.
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on April 09, 2022, 11:06:41 AM --- Going hive mind works as Tessa did, one of he subunits would be in physical contact with her coin, and the rest would have the shadow of her Denarian, it’s how she is able to control them, the shadow is doing it.
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My theory is different: Imariel stuffs Tessa & the coin into a Nevernever demesne, and creates ectoplasmic bugs (maybe they exist there, and are summoned or sent to the mortal world). Every bug remains connected to Imariel & the coin.
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