The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
How the hell did Blood on his Soul survive being mulched to a pulp
Mira:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on April 07, 2022, 06:44:17 PM ---Butcher set up the rules to make it hard to kill anything in the Files. Ursiel's host died easily enough when his head fell off. It was getting close enough to kill him without dying that was the problem. Since he's human Harry couldn't use magic. And that is the crux of it, the host is human. Nicodemus is the only one who can take a licking and keep on ticking.
If your going to call me out for not differentiating between the host and his Fallen somebody needs to tell Butcher to get square on Thorned Namshiel.
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Possible that Namshiel and Marcone came to an arrangement, kind of like Nic and Andriel, and that Lasciel said she could arrange with Harry..
g33k:
--- Quote from: HeWhoSucksAtWalking on April 04, 2022, 05:50:33 AM --- ... I mean cmon. If he healed himself quick ,( still don't see friggin how!) Then he could've gotten her out of that rubble ...
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Did we actually ever see the "getting crushed"? I don't think we (Harry) actually had line-of-sight.
Hypothetically, he could have survived the same way Harry survived killing the Ik -- Harry opened a Harry-sized gate and let the tons of Ik-and-Harry-crushing nevernever matter go "somewhere" into the mortal world as evaporating ectoplasm. BOHS just crouches down (behind another block of ice, blocking Harry's LOS), opens a quick gate, and lets the gate chew a BOHS-sized chunk out of the block; when they smash together, there's a hollow inside!
--- Quote from: HeWhoSucksAtWalking on April 04, 2022, 05:50:33 AM --- ... He's strong but I'm not sure if subtly magic is his forte.
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BOHS veiled really really well (Molly & senior-council level veil) for a long time, in the warehouse. And Harry has repeatedly called veils complex and subtle things. He also did something too subtle/complex for Harry to understand, blocking & grounding Harry's magic when Harry tried to nail him.
I think in terms of raw ability & training, BOHS' magic can do most of what Harry's magic can do; probably all of what Harry's magic can do.
Harry's advantage is in level-headed thinking and planning.
And a lot of plot-armor (much of which takes the form of planning, & level-headed thinking in a crisis).
g33k:
--- Quote from: Yuillegan on April 06, 2022, 01:32:47 AM --- ... So the Hellhound uses a few sniper round, Eldest Gruff blows away one or two, etc ...
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I think you underestimate Eldest Gruff & the Hellhound, there.
I think Harry got off easy, and didn't realize that -- sometimes -- his allies are just as far above his pay-grade as his enemies are!
Ed0517:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on April 06, 2022, 12:04:01 PM ---With the exception of Nicodemus the Nicklehead's aren't that hard to kill. Ursiel dies the first time in Blood Rites. Separate the head from the body and they die. Destroy the head and they die. And so on. And he stole the idea from the Highlander, whose writer stole it from someone else.
But if Butcher wants to raise him from the dead all it takes is a word processor and the desire. At this rate I expect a party with all the quasi dead people of the Dresden Files in attendance.
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Doesn't have to be decapitation, but it has to be quick. Eldest Gruff kills a denarian (Magog, maybe?) on the island without a decapitation. But it was a single shot. EG is well up the power ladder, I'd be thinking roughly Lea?
I think Hades might be involved. He claims the dead in his realm. Nic killing his daughter, she is not coming back. But not for a keepsake coin. TWG wants them in circulation, and I think Hades trophy room is likely too far off the beaten path. But Hades can likely refuse the soul and put it back in the body, and open a gate out. Hades is probably stronger than anyone we have seen other than Uriel, the Mothers, and HWWB. Odin isn't that class any more.
Conspiracy Theorist:
--- Quote from: g33k on April 08, 2022, 04:47:38 AM ---I think you underestimate Eldest Gruff & the Hellhound, there.
I think Harry got off easy, and didn't realize that -- sometimes -- his allies are just as far above his pay-grade as his enemies are!
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I wonder if the Hellound SHOT the coin out of the Denarian. That would do it probably.
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