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How the hell did Blood on his Soul survive being mulched to a pulp
SerScot:
HHSSW,
--- Quote from: HeWhoSucksAtWalking on April 04, 2022, 05:50:33 AM ---So you think there's absolutely no way that Hannah lived,? Maybe the monkey and her helped each other escape. I mean they were both fataly injured not to mention they had to dodge and defend against The residents of Hades..they could've team up.. maybe the monkey needed Hannah to open viel and protected her til they got out . I mean cmon. If he healed himself quick ,( still don't see friggin how!) Then he could've gotten her out of that rubble. Then the two of them team up and escape Hades. Though I think he probably would've needed Asher to open a way..He's strong but I'm not sure if subtly magic is his forte.
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I was about to say Asher didn’t know how to do that… but then… Lasciel could remedy that quite rapidly.
Yuillegan:
--- Quote from: Mira on April 06, 2022, 10:45:34 AM ---Or maybe because Sasquatches are tougher than your average beings, we've also seen River Shoulders take some fearsome punishments as well and survive.
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Still mortal though, and anything mortal crushed by a solid ice block the size of a small building isn't going to survive unless they are able to somehow protect themselves. That much mass would be too much energy to divert via a shield, even for the Genoskwa with Ursiel I suspect. It would have kept pursuing Dresden otherwise. Harry was quite sure the old "open up a Way" trick wasn't possible where he was, particularly by anyone but him. He could be wrong, but if so why did they use him to get into the Underworld? Perhaps the Genoskwa turned itself into a liquid or gas...but that seems less likely given the requirements, and either form would struggle to maintain it's state of matter in such cold conditions.
The toughness of the being only matters if it's supernatural entirely. It's part mortal, and the physical mass has to go somewhere. His only other option is to dig into the ground beneath him, which again seems unlikely based on the speed and surprise of the attack and of the "ground" he would have to dig into.
The most likely scenario is a some sort of weird healing, or teleport. And it would have to be far enough that the Genoskwa would give up pursuit of Harry (if it were the teleport) and slow enough that immediate pursuit wasn't an option (if it were the healing factor).
River Shoulders and the Genoskwa are very tough beings, but I don't see how either of them could survive the impact of that much mass without magical assistance beyond their normal means.
--- Quote from: morriswalters on April 06, 2022, 12:04:01 PM ---With the exception of Nicodemus the Nicklehead's aren't that hard to kill. Ursiel dies the first time in Blood Rites. Separate the head from the body and they die. Destroy the head and they die. And so on. And he stole the idea from the Highlander, whose writer stole it from someone else.
But if Butcher wants to raise him from the dead all it takes is a word processor and the desire. At this rate I expect a party with all the quasi dead people of the Dresden Files in attendance.
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It took three Knights last time to kill Ursiel's host. As far as I am aware, no Angel has died yet, Fallen or otherwise.
The idea of the head being the optimal target to ensure death is as old as humans. Older than any tale.
But I don't know about them being easy to kill either. In any case, clearly the Genoskwa survived somehow, and as far as I am aware they are not invulnerable or have rapid healing. So presumably his Fallen helped him survive, however it was done. The real question isn't how the trick was done, but whether the Genoskwa is still paired with Ursiel (assuming it isn't the Genoskwa from another universe, as per your theory), and when the Genoskwa will next show up.
--- Quote from: Arjan on April 06, 2022, 05:45:12 PM ---Remember Tessa in small favor? She got a killing blow but just fell apart in many insects and they recombined again. Something like that would work.
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Precisely what I said, glad someone else gets it.
--- Quote from: SerScot on April 07, 2022, 12:45:56 AM ---HHSSW,
I was about to say Asher didn’t know how to do that… but then… Lasciel could remedy that quite rapidly.
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I don't see Hannah Ascher surviving as she was so new at the Denarian angle. But then again, I didn't think the Genoskwa survived and here we are. Anything's possible I guess.
Mira:
--- Quote ---River Shoulders and the Genoskwa are very tough beings, but I don't see how either of them could survive the impact of that much mass without magical assistance beyond their normal means.
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Or Ursiel is compatible to Sasquatches, Genoskwa did die, the coin ejected, picked up by another Sasquatch, who becomes Genoskwa. I think way back when Nic tossed Lasciel's coin Harry's way, that he said something about choosing the right coin for the specific host.
Conspiracy Theorist:
It’s separation the host from the coin that is required, that may be an instant brain death scenario. The Noose lets Nick get away with it, Lartessa most likely found her own work around. If in her insect form she is a genuine hive mind with her consciousness split between the brains of the insects, she only needs one insect to remain in contact with the coin for her to be able to regenerate wholly even if the rest of her insects are destroyed.
I suspect the Hellhounds enhanced senses may include a shark like ability to sense the nervous systems of others, he seems to be able to see in the dark but probably has a whole host of unnatural senses and such an ability would be useful against illusion casters, if so he would have been aiming at the perceived seat of conscious in each Denarian, so even if for example they in shape shifted form had relocated their brain from their “head” to another part of their anatomy he would aim there.
Most hosts I think were not smart enough to realise this, or carry this out and frankly the Denarian didn’t care as a new host would be along any moment.
morriswalters:
Butcher set up the rules to make it hard to kill anything in the Files. Ursiel's host died easily enough when his head fell off. It was getting close enough to kill him without dying that was the problem. Since he's human Harry couldn't use magic. And that is the crux of it, the host is human. Nicodemus is the only one who can take a licking and keep on ticking.
If your going to call me out for not differentiating between the host and his Fallen somebody needs to tell Butcher to get square on Thorned Namshiel.
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