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How the hell did Blood on his Soul survive being mulched to a pulp
Yuillegan:
--- Quote from: Mira on April 05, 2022, 03:24:12 PM --- This true, but dead is dead, and if the host is killed the coin rolls away. Unless it is retrieved by a Holy Knight for "safe keeping," Nic or another Denarian will pick it up to tempt the next suitable host.
So Ursiel, himself cannot be killed, he lives in his coin, but his host can be squished to death.. So wouldn't be shocked to see Ursiel again, but he will have a different body.
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And yet we know the Genoskwa (Blood-on-his-Soul) has survived. Dresden saw him get crushed like a beer can under a hammer. I don't know we will ever find out exactly how it worked out, but it's fair to say "magic" was involved. And yes, Ursiel himself as an immortal is unable to be killed except in very specific circumstances.
--- Quote from: morriswalters on April 05, 2022, 04:45:44 PM ---If you never see it coming how fast you think will have nothing to do with it.
The first quote is about opening a way in the realm. The second about how much warning they had when the ice block crushed them.
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I think spiritual beings are stronger in the Nevernever, from memory. So even if they didn't sense the impending attack, they might be more able to heal from such an assault, perhaps better than they would in the "real" world.
After all, even in the bank vault we saw Tessa turn herself into a swarm of bugs and then gets burned with holy fire/light, and she's still kicking.
Unfortunately, part of the problem is Small Favor. Jim watered down the Denarians a lot to enable them to be defeated. So the Hellhound uses a few sniper round, Eldest Gruff blows away one or two, etc. And Coins go flying. It's all set-up so Marcone gets his Coin and so all the new holders of previous Coins can exist. Jim was just cleaning house. But the issue is that it skewed our expectations. We go from Denarians being incredibly powerful and scary in Death Masks, to being essentially a couple of goons. It doesn't gel and now the expectation for us readers is that they are easily put down, when in fact I suspect that isn't how Jim sees them, given their initial introduction into the series. To me, I think the Denarians are meant to be far harder to kill than we have seen and Small Favor is an aberration in their survivability.
But that's just my two Denarius.
Mira:
--- Quote ---And yet we know the Genoskwa (Blood-on-his-Soul) has survived. Dresden saw him get crushed like a beer can under a hammer. I don't know we will ever find out exactly how it worked out, but it's fair to say "magic" was involved. And yes, Ursiel himself as an immortal is unable to be killed except in very specific circumstances.
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Or maybe because Sasquatches are tougher than your average beings, we've also seen River Shoulders take some fearsome punishments as well and survive.
morriswalters:
With the exception of Nicodemus the Nicklehead's aren't that hard to kill. Ursiel dies the first time in Blood Rites. Separate the head from the body and they die. Destroy the head and they die. And so on. And he stole the idea from the Highlander, whose writer stole it from someone else.
But if Butcher wants to raise him from the dead all it takes is a word processor and the desire. At this rate I expect a party with all the quasi dead people of the Dresden Files in attendance.
Mira:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on April 06, 2022, 12:04:01 PM ---With the exception of Nicodemus the Nicklehead's aren't that hard to kill. Ursiel dies the first time in Blood Rites. Separate the head from the body and they die. Destroy the head and they die. And so on. And he stole the idea from the Highlander, whose writer stole it from someone else.
But if Butcher wants to raise him from the dead all it takes is a word processor and the desire. At this rate I expect a party with all the quasi dead people of the Dresden Files in attendance.
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Correction, Ursiel's host dies in Blood Rites, if the coin isn't accounted for by the Holy Knights and properly locked away, a new host takes up the coin and becomes the new Ursiel, and the appearance of who we think of as Ursiel. That may get lost in the shuffle between books, but it recurs over and over, even Namshiel's host is killed in Small Favor, Namshiel doesn't return until the mortal Marcone takes up his coin in Battle Ground.. Namshiel's previous host got fully absorbed by Namshiel, he was merely called, "Namshiel." However this didn't happen in Nic's case, his is a different partnership, one that Lasciel tried to sell Harry on. Now did Namshiel assure Marcone that he can do the wizard thing and remain Marcone?
Arjan:
Remember Tessa in small favor? She got a killing blow but just fell apart in many insects and they recombined again. Something like that would work.
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