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Star Born (direct quotes compilation)
Mira:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on February 17, 2022, 04:50:01 PM ---There is a certain level of Butcher being Butcher in all of this. My mother could be Starborn for as much specificity as he gives. But obviously birth date isn't sufficient in and of itself. Where you are when you were born seems to be important. So the date is knowable but the location may not be and the only way to know is to test for it. Or maybe Margaret figured it out. Which might explain why Malcolm wasn't at the birth.
If you want to go all tin hat, the fight with Justin may have been that test. Put Harry on the run and see what happens when he crosses paths with an Outsider. If he's Starborn he passes, if he isn't, he gets eaten. Easy Peasy and here is your guaranteed Genuine Starborn Certificate.
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All of that can be true, I think equally important is the conditions the moment the sperm enters the egg and the star zygote is created..
Conspiracy Theorist:
--- Quote from: Mira on February 17, 2022, 01:58:37 AM ---I don't think a body would do Kemmler or anybody any good. A body is a body, there is more to being a starborn than that I think. The skills don't carry over, remember Luccio in a new body, she still was a wizard, but she lost the skill to forge Warden's swords to match the skills and talents of the Warden wielding it. If it were as simple as switching out a body, you'd think the Corpsetaker would have latched on to one long ago for a chance to be starborn.
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We don’t know, but given Corpsetaker we know this was an area of interest for Kemmler. Drakul has been described as something not human stuffed into a human form (that quote belongs in this collection) whether he was a Starborn first or the body is Starborn we don’t know. However Harry, Elaine and Listen are all human, suggesting you need to be a human to be Starborn, so if Drakul started off non-human, Kemmler might have been on the right track. For all we know Kemmler was experimenting to see if he could replicate himself as Drakul as a stepping stone to the Darkhallow. Perhaps a Starborn body is merely more durable (look at the hell Harry has put his through) and that is required for the Darkhallow.
The difference between Vadderung and Drakul is the Kringle Mantle, which like the Queens renders him immortal not merely ageless and extremely difficult to kill, like for example the Redcap. Otherwise they would be on a equal footing. The other difference is that Odin has access to Soulfire and this is required to create Einenjharen, the only way it seems to safely resurrect the dead appears to be Soulfire (e.g. Jesus and Lazarus). Drakul’s son created the original Black Court Vampires, perhaps in response, using Hellfire?
Mira:
There is more to Vadderung than just the Kringle Mantle that makes him immortal.
Conspiracy Theorist:
--- Quote from: Mira on February 17, 2022, 07:13:10 PM ---There is more to Vadderung than just the Kringle Mantle that makes him immortal.
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There was, but he took a deliberate step down to stay in the game as a mortal, probably in exchange for Soulfire from the White God and the crafty bugger figured out to still do so and regain his immortality through the White God mandated Kringle Mantle. It’s not his immortality or the ability to wield Soulfire which makes him formidable, it’s his smarts. That’s the real edge he has over Drakul.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on February 17, 2022, 08:12:08 PM ---There was, but he took a deliberate step down to stay in the game as a mortal, probably in exchange for Soulfire from the White God and the crafty bugger figured out to still do so and regain his immortality through the White God mandated Kringle Mantle. It’s not his immortality or the ability to wield Soulfire which makes him formidable, it’s his smarts. That’s the real edge he has over Drakul.
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Where is that written? Sorry if I sound rude, I don't mean to be, I just don't remember any of that in the stories, is it WOJ?
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