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Mira:

--- Quote ---I suspect it isn't just luck at that level. I suspect higher forces were doing their best to ensure the Island didn't get assaulted before it was a bit more defendable. That being said, I suspect the opposition forces were doing their level best and that's why the attacks eventually got through.

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Or more likely the fact that the Island was vulnerable without a Warden was kept a secret.  It took the infecting of someone on the inside, i.e. Maeve, to reveal how the Island could be assaulted.  As Eb points out in his journal, it seems that a "higher power" was on their side when Harry stumbled onto the job of Warden.  In Cold Days while he wasn't fully engaged in the job yet, he managed to put together a defense of it with the help of friends.

BrainFireBob:

--- Quote from: Yuillegan on January 04, 2022, 06:50:55 AM ---1. Who cut out Ethniu's eye?
Obviously would have to be something big, both literally and figuratively. It's our assumption that the Black Council are the ones who gave her the Eye, as it fits their M.O.

That being said, it could have been another group. Say, Tessa and Imariel and her more chaotic Denarians? They all love chaos and destruction. But also, what about the Outsiders themselves?

I could definitely see He Who Walks Behind having a role. He's been established as more than a demon, more than a hitman; he's a manipulator and a peer of Uriel. So he could definitely tear out the eye of a Goddess. He also could be large enough to leave such big scars. We have to remember that anything that could scar Titanic Bronze on a Titan is a serious being.

Another candidate is Lucifer himself. But why he would get that involved is harder to work out.


2. Is Ebenezar a Denarian?Now, it could just be about the amount of power in the staff that Ebenezar was putting into it. But. I seem to remember Harry's own runes on his staff used to glow the same color when using magic while he possessed a Coin. Considering how angry and barely controlled Ebenezar is...I could see a Denarian egging him along. One of the big things with Denarians is the reveal, the sucker punch. It would be quite the surprise to learn he is a Denarian.

The question is why? He already is a wizard, so he has power. He already wields the Blackstaff, so he already has a dark deal. Why get another? And when would he have done it? Why isn't he aiding the other Denarians?

Hard to say on any accounts. Perhaps, like Mab, he needs all the power he can get to do what he feels he has to. Cowl felt much the same. Simon even expressed sentiments of frustration on the limitations of being a wizard in the Paranet Papers. When he would have done it is impossible to tell, but I would guess it would have been before the Blackstaff was his (in this hypothetical scenario). And perhaps we just don't see him aid the other Denarians because it's all in the background. Or perhaps he is a rebel (along with his Fallen) and doesn't care to help the others. Or perhaps...he is leading the other Nemesis-infected beings, and he and his Fallen are in the same boat.

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I assumed it was Ethniu herself that pried out her own eye.

Perhaps the Blackstaff plants something like a Shadow itself, and that was what Eb was revealing during the battle?

Conspiracy Theorist:
The voluntary loss of an eye as a sacrifice to gain power is a well trod trope in Myth, ask Odin.

Yuillegan:

--- Quote from: BrainFireBob on January 10, 2022, 05:14:59 PM ---I assumed it was Ethniu herself that pried out her own eye.

Perhaps the Blackstaff plants something like a Shadow itself, and that was what Eb was revealing during the battle?

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Certainly possible - as good a theory as any. Makes her even more badass really. But it's the combination of the Eye and the Titanic Bronze armour that makes me think it was set-up by another. She's had plenty of time to attack the world - and Nemesis hints that the Outsiders and their agents are the ones who unleashed her. Harry guesses they are in league due to the simultaneous assault on the Outer Gates, even before Nemesis confirms it. So I just wonder if some Outsider or one of their agents comes along with some gifts of power and poisoned words, maybe a special deal, and Ethniu is stirred up more than she has been in a long time. And it would have happened at least as early as Changes, maybe earlier still. But it's only after Changes the Fomor really start acting openly.

That's an interesting take on the Blackstaff. I merely assumed it was the combination of elemental powers (Gungnir's lightning clashing with Winter darkness) revealing the source of the Blackstaff's power (i.e. Mother Winter). But the idea of a Shadow of Mother Winter planted in the head of the wielder is intriguing. To be that close to the source of Winter's power...would be challenging. After all, Harry would be only getting a taste with his mantle. The mantles of the Queens are much, much stronger and harder to resist. There is a scene in Changes where Harry gets the impression the Blackstaff likes to be used as often and as destructively as possible, and that Ebenezar is struggling a little with it. Could be the reason Ebenezar is careful not to use it too much is that the Staff's influence is very difficult to resist (that and of course if he's using it he is doing terrible deeds).


--- Quote from: Mira on January 08, 2022, 11:23:24 AM ---Or more likely the fact that the Island was vulnerable without a Warden was kept a secret.  It took the infecting of someone on the inside, i.e. Maeve, to reveal how the Island could be assaulted.  As Eb points out in his journal, it seems that a "higher power" was on their side when Harry stumbled onto the job of Warden.  In Cold Days while he wasn't fully engaged in the job yet, he managed to put together a defense of it with the help of friends.

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Is that more likely? I don't really see that either the fact there was no Warden was kept a secret, I haven't really come across anything that suggests the White Council were purposely hiding that fact. The fact that the Island itself was a bit of a secret (mostly to non-supernaturals and lower level supernatural types) doesn't suggest it was the White Council covering it up. It's not like they were swearing Harry to secrecy for even knowing about it. Clearly, the more powerful supernatural players know what the Island is. Nicodemus surely knew there was no Warden or why would he have even ventured near it, same for the more senior Denarians, same for the Naagloshii. Ethniu not knowing the danger of the Island comes down to her hiding from the world for most of her life, and being so arrogant to assume she was undefeatable and that mortals posed no threat to her.

The assault by Maeve (Nemesis) and Before revealed a way the Island could be attacked...to us. I doubt it's the only method. And Nemesis clearly had other ways of attacking the Island, all on it's own, the end of Battle Ground shows this. I think we will see several different attempts before the end.

But I think we are both in agreement that Heaven has been helping defend the Island on a higher level, until it was ready/needed to be defended at the mortal level. As I said before, the opposition to Heaven likely is also making their own moves. If Heaven could defeat them all at once, they would have, so clearly the opposition have the power to resist and challenge them.

Conspiracy Theorist:
Could Bobs parents therefore be Mother Winter and a Black Staff.

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