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Peace Talks interesting things and questions
Yuillegan:
1. Who cut out Ethniu's eye?
--- Quote ---On that perfect bronze face, the mutilation of her eye stood out like a gallows in a public park. The orbital ridges around the socket were covered in white, granite-like scars, as if the biggest, ugliest cat you’d ever seen had scratched it out. It wasn’t sunken, though the lid was closed. That mangled eye bulged ever so slightly, as if it had been meant for a being considerably larger than she was.
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Obviously would have to be something big, both literally and figuratively. It's our assumption that the Black Council are the ones who gave her the Eye, as it fits their M.O.
That being said, it could have been another group. Say, Tessa and Imariel and her more chaotic Denarians? They all love chaos and destruction. But also, what about the Outsiders themselves?
I could definitely see He Who Walks Behind having a role. He's been established as more than a demon, more than a hitman; he's a manipulator and a peer of Uriel. So he could definitely tear out the eye of a Goddess. He also could be large enough to leave such big scars. We have to remember that anything that could scar Titanic Bronze on a Titan is a serious being.
Another candidate is Lucifer himself. But why he would get that involved is harder to work out.
2. Is Ebenezar a Denarian?
--- Quote ---Hovering maybe twenty feet up, with his feet planted firmly on a stone the size of a Buick, was the Blackstaff, Ebenezar McCoy. One hand was spread out to one side for balance, fingers crooked in a mystic sign, sort of a kinetic shorthand for whatever spell was keeping that boulder in the air.
The other gripped his staff, carved with runes like mine, and they glowed with sullen red-orange energy. His face had twisted into a rictus of cold, hard fury. Flickers of static electricity played along the surface of the stone.
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Now, it could just be about the amount of power in the staff that Ebenezar was putting into it. But. I seem to remember Harry's own runes on his staff used to glow the same color when using magic while he possessed a Coin. Considering how angry and barely controlled Ebenezar is...I could see a Denarian egging him along. One of the big things with Denarians is the reveal, the sucker punch. It would be quite the surprise to learn he is a Denarian.
The question is why? He already is a wizard, so he has power. He already wields the Blackstaff, so he already has a dark deal. Why get another? And when would he have done it? Why isn't he aiding the other Denarians?
Hard to say on any accounts. Perhaps, like Mab, he needs all the power he can get to do what he feels he has to. Cowl felt much the same. Simon even expressed sentiments of frustration on the limitations of being a wizard in the Paranet Papers. When he would have done it is impossible to tell, but I would guess it would have been before the Blackstaff was his (in this hypothetical scenario). And perhaps we just don't see him aid the other Denarians because it's all in the background. Or perhaps he is a rebel (along with his Fallen) and doesn't care to help the others. Or perhaps...he is leading the other Nemesis-infected beings, and he and his Fallen are in the same boat.
K.L.O.E.:
--- Quote from: Yuillegan on January 04, 2022, 06:50:55 AM ---1. Who cut out Ethniu's eye?
Obviously would have to be something big, both literally and figuratively. It's our assumption that the Black Council are the ones who gave her the Eye, as it fits their M.O.
That being said, it could have been another group. Say, Tessa and Imariel and her more chaotic Denarians? They all love chaos and destruction. But also, what about the Outsiders themselves?
I could definitely see He Who Walks Behind having a role. He's been established as more than a demon, more than a hitman; he's a manipulator and a peer of Uriel. So he could definitely tear out the eye of a Goddess. He also could be large enough to leave such big scars. We have to remember that anything that could scar Titanic Bronze on a Titan is a serious being.
Another candidate is Lucifer himself. But why he would get that involved is harder to work out.
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I'd assumed it was either another Titan/God or a Dragon. We don't know who or what intervened when Balor made the eye in the first place (I'm assuming something major got involved as well Titans). It's implied that Ferrovax fully manifested could fight Ethniu on relatively equal footing it would just shatter reality and Ferro may die in the process. So maybe another Dragon took the eye from Balor and hid it then Ethniu went and got it? Or did the eye end up with the Hundred Handed Ones and she got the Bronze and the eye at the same time?
--- Quote ---2. Is Ebenezar a Denarian?Now, it could just be about the amount of power in the staff that Ebenezar was putting into it. But. I seem to remember Harry's own runes on his staff used to glow the same color when using magic while he possessed a Coin. Considering how angry and barely controlled Ebenezar is...I could see a Denarian egging him along. One of the big things with Denarians is the reveal, the sucker punch. It would be quite the surprise to learn he is a Denarian.
The question is why? He already is a wizard, so he has power. He already wields the Blackstaff, so he already has a dark deal. Why get another? And when would he have done it? Why isn't he aiding the other Denarians?
Hard to say on any accounts. Perhaps, like Mab, he needs all the power he can get to do what he feels he has to. Cowl felt much the same. Simon even expressed sentiments of frustration on the limitations of being a wizard in the Paranet Papers. When he would have done it is impossible to tell, but I would guess it would have been before the Blackstaff was his (in this hypothetical scenario). And perhaps we just don't see him aid the other Denarians because it's all in the background. Or perhaps he is a rebel (along with his Fallen) and doesn't care to help the others. Or perhaps...he is leading the other Nemesis-infected beings, and he and his Fallen are in the same boat.
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This theory is perfect. Have we ever seen Ebenezer on Demonreach? If he's been avoiding it that adds further credence to the theory.
Mira:
--- Quote ---his theory is perfect. Have we ever seen Ebenezer on Demonreach? If he's been avoiding it that adds further credence to the theory.
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Except the Denarians had no problem taking Ivy to the island when they kidnapped her. I also believe that Eb was on the island in Turn Coat, but I need to go back and check. Also Lasciel's shadow was trying to persuade Harry to take up the coin, Harry never actually took it up and possessed it.
Yuillegan:
--- Quote from: K.L.O.E. on January 04, 2022, 01:48:51 PM ---I'd assumed it was either another Titan/God or a Dragon. We don't know who or what intervened when Balor made the eye in the first place (I'm assuming something major got involved as well Titans). It's implied that Ferrovax fully manifested could fight Ethniu on relatively equal footing it would just shatter reality and Ferro may die in the process. So maybe another Dragon took the eye from Balor and hid it then Ethniu went and got it? Or did the eye end up with the Hundred Handed Ones and she got the Bronze and the eye at the same time?
This theory is perfect. Have we ever seen Ebenezer on Demonreach? If he's been avoiding it that adds further credence to the theory.
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I don't think it was implied to be any being, at least from the text that I read. But I could have missed something. The story goes that Balor's grandson (Ethniu's son) Lugh used a sling to hurl a stone into his grandfather's eye, defeating him and ending the war (for a time). An obvious parallel is with David and Goliath, and historians have speculated that there may have been some crossover between the Jewish people and the Irish of that time. Whose story it was first is a little harder to say.
I don't know it's implied he could have fought Ethniu on an equal footing either. He had trouble resisting her will when she first shows up in Peace Talks. He implies that should he manifest he might do more harm to the city, but not that he could necessarily be on an equal footing. I would agree that it would certainly have been more of an issue for Ethniu, but even if he were on par with her (a bold claim), he would lose by default as both Chicago would be razed AND local reality would collapse, which is why he went to the Never never to stop it doing just that.
The other possibility is that Ethniu ripped her own eye out, and as Harry implies, gained the Eye of Balor from her son. It might never be a question that gets answered. But I think it is interesting regardless.
Furthermore, how did she get covered in Titanic Bronze?
This is why I think who gave her the Eye is important. Only the Hundred-Handed Ones knew it's secret, so even for a Titan it isn't easy to get. But some powerful players set her up nicely for a war. I'd say there a big movers and shakers behind the scenes, and Cowl is merely an agent of them. Perhaps more powerful than Ethniu, perhaps by a lot. Remember, everyone supernatural seemed very shocked she was covered in Titanic Bronze as well. She definitely wasn't back in the good old days where she had sacrifices made to her.
Yes, as Mira points out we did see Eb on Demonreach unfortunately. But I am curious to why you asked that question...what's the significance of him being on the Island? Lots of Denarians have been on the Island (notably before Harry properly awakened it) and the implication is that Nemesis isn't too worried once it gets on the Island. Nemesis seems to think once it was on the Island it would only be a matter of time before it got in and started breaking things out...or causing enough chaos as a byproduct that it's ultimate mission becomes inevitable.
Mira:
--- Quote ---Yes, as Mira points out we did see Eb on Demonreach unfortunately. But I am curious to why you asked that question...what's the significance of him being on the Island? Lots of Denarians have been on the Island (notably before Harry properly awakened it) and the implication is that Nemesis isn't too worried once it gets on the Island. Nemesis seems to think once it was on the Island it would only be a matter of time before it got in and started breaking things out...or causing enough chaos as a byproduct that it's ultimate mission becomes inevitable.
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Perhaps, but Nemesis has also found out that it isn't all that easy as well. In Cold Days they tried both a direct approach along with an infected Winter Lady and a corrupted Summer Lady, though Maeve, got on the Island, and they failed. I guess you could say the Island got lucky that time, but now the Warden understands how it's defenses work, and they are fully engaged. That is why they tried a more subtle approach with Justine, and it is possible if Harry had been totally fooled and she did succeed in entering the area where Thomas is being held it would have ended as you suggest. But Harry wasn't fooled, it was close, but he wasn't fooled perhaps the reason being he is starborn and saw through it. None of this answers the question as to why the Senior Council is so resistant to the Island having a Warden? As pointed out, it seems rather critical that is does. Alfred is good, but to me he doesn't appear to have free choice, he craves guidance.
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