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Harry should have trusted Ramirez
toodeep:
--- Quote from: b4utoo on December 01, 2021, 08:25:20 PM ---You don't want to do a field trip you don't want to let people know about the outer Gates because that's just another venue the bad guys to attack. Not everybody is an outsider they might have different reasons to f*** s*** up
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All the important people with truly "f*** s*** up" power already know. Dracul, the mothers, Mab, Titania, the senior council, Denarians, dragons, odin, etc. They all know about it. Heck, they all clearly know more about it than Harry since they all know more about Starborn than he does. I'm talking about him getting some of the people at his level that can serve as speedbumps to him at a critical time in the know to help clear them out of the way. None of them are going to be threats to the status quo. But if Fix had known more about this, and maybe understands that "oppose winter at all times" is a bad mantra, then things like them fighting like they did earlier may be avoided in the future.
TrueMonk:
I think he could have told Carlos on the stairs in the castle the he worked with Lara because of winter stuff and that he was sorry he could not tell him more about it.
Maybe he could also have told him at that point that he has a great girlfriend which he would like to introduce his friend Carlos to at some point, but that it is none of Warden Ramirez business.
So I think he should not have told Carlos much more than he did, but he could have done it ok a nicer way. But then again Harry is a bit less calm than I am and he is living it, not reading it.
Mira:
--- Quote ---I think he could have told Carlos on the stairs in the castle the he worked with Lara because of winter stuff and that he was sorry he could not tell him more about it.
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But would that have done any good? For starters after his failed dance with Molly, Carlos isn't exactly
open to Winter business. But most importantly he has placed that damn tracking device on Harry on the beach before anything went down, before he started asking Harry trust and talk to him, while he was asking him to be part of his security team! I agree with B4utoo, would you trust anyone [a supposed friend] who did that to you? Here's a question, on the beach, why didn't Carlos trust Harry and level with him? As in, "I know this sucks Harry, but I am being ordered to put this tracking device on you. I am not sure who, but someone wants your ass pretty badly, just be aware as you move around.." Now if Carlos had said any thing like that in the first chapter of Peace Talks, Harry might have talked to him and trusted him.. But he did not.
Cozarkian:
--- Quote from: TrueMonk on December 02, 2021, 08:11:09 PM ---I think he could have told Carlos on the stairs in the castle the he worked with Lara because of winter stuff and that he was sorry he could not tell him more about it.
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Not a chance. Time was of the essence. Telling Ramirez anything less than the full truth would have resulted in a longer discussion in which Ramirez demanded more information or at least a better explanation as to why he can't tell them. It also would have immediately informed Ramirez that Harry was in fact planning something and the refusal to explain what Harry was planning would have made Ramirez watch him closely and ruined the plan.
--- Quote from: TrueMonk on December 02, 2021, 08:11:09 PM ---Maybe he could also have told him at that point that he has a great girlfriend which he would like to introduce his friend Carlos to at some point, but that it is none of Warden Ramirez business.
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That's a decent point. A clever, socially-adept, charismatic person could have pointed out that he would love to share his personal life with his friend Carlos Ramirez, but he wasn't going to be bullied by Warden Ramirez.
Harry's social skills, however, do not include quick-witted tactful diplomacy and charisma. Rather, Harry is hot-headed, stubborn, hostile toward bullying, and relies on quick-witted juvenile comments in diplomatic situations. Harry thinking of saying something like that in those circumstances would not have been a believable story.
Mira:
--- Quote ---That's a decent point. A clever, socially-adept, charismatic person could have pointed out that he would love to share his personal life with his friend Carlos Ramirez, but he wasn't going to be bullied by Warden Ramirez.
Harry's social skills, however, do not include quick-witted tactful diplomacy and charisma. Rather, Harry is hot-headed, stubborn, hostile toward bullying, and relies on quick-witted juvenile comments in diplomatic situations. Harry thinking of saying something like that in those circumstances would not have been a believable story.
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Context is everything, you are leaving out the bit about discovering that his so called trusted friend, Carlos had secretly placed a tracking device on him. That would piss him off just a bit and sort of toss diplomacy out the window. One extra point on that, since he was tracking Harry, Carlos would have known that Harry had spent some time at Murphy's house earlier that day.. Now in fairness, Carlos might not have guess that Harry and Murphy were an item, then again he may have... When you think of it, the sex scan stinks of "frame up." Suppose because he was tracking him, Carlos knew perfectly well who Harry had had sex with earlier that day, so he orders the sex scan... Of course it is positive, Carlos also knows Harry isn't going to tell him it was Murphy, when she is with in ear shot. Then Carlos further insinuates that Harry must of recently had sex with Lara. Which when you think of it doesn't make sense because why would Harry bring Murphy with him then ask her to feed the pigeons while he has sex and plots with Lara? Then Carlos asks Harry to talk to him, confess what he is plotting, because they are all friends? Really? Harry's reaction was perfectly normal, somewhere between WTF is this about? And pissed that his friend went along with doing this to him..
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