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Harry should have trusted Ramirez
vincentric:
I don't believe that LaFortiere was the Warden at the time of his murder unless it was a secret from everyone on the Senior Council who knows what Demonreach is. Otherwise their response makes no sense.
Think about it. The keeper of the keys to the prison of the the collective monsters and horrors of the planet's history is murdered and no one is sent to check on the prison. If someone told me the keys to the Gates of Hell have been stolen, I'd want to watch the path to them, even if from a distance.
Harry may not have had the Council's full trust, but he is the warden they put in charge on North America despite there being three Senior Council members who reside there. In the two days it took Morgan to reach him, you'd think that someone might have passed the word for him to be on the lookout for unusual activity near there with no need to mention the manhunt for Morgan. Then Morgan arrives and there are two days of TC and still no one goes the the island until Harry tells them to meet him there.
Even after arriving there, they are so concerned with Morgan's capture than no one, besides Rashiid, says anything about it even though Eb and Listens both show awareness of Harry's link to Demonreach? That shows either complete trust in Harry or a startling level of incompetence on the Council's part. Surely there should have been some questions asked or some pointers given. Perhaps a word to Harry about keeping a watch on the island might be advisable. Harry isn't completely resolved of this either. He made the pact and didn't do a thing to learn about it until he was forced to.
And then after Changes, after a second Warden over the island in murdered, no one thinks to say, "Hey, maybe the bad guys are plotting something to do with the prison."? They don't post a guard or have someone do periodic checks?
At some point, you have to realize that the secrecy you're protecting has become so paranoid that it's causing far more harm than good. The mushroom treatment given to even dedicated wardens causes more rebels in the long term out of ignorance and frustration than the protection it provides against possible traitors. Unless they're just that bad at evaluating the character of all their trainees.
Mira:
This makes lots of sense.
Conspiracy Theorist:
You misconstrue, the punishment room in Arctis Tor is the NeverNever backdoor to Demonreach, but you have to get past Mab AND then Alfred in the real world. But in doing so it provided an idea of the force required to overcome Alfred with a Warden, so not a total failure. A first attempt at a break in to ascertain how bad the defences were, for a better organised attempt in the future.
They successfully did the former and failed on the latter. For most beings Demonreach is a one way ticket, word of Alfred is very unlikely to get out. Only a handful of Wardens may have actually been privy to its full secrets with nothing ever written down because of the Archive, and if originally it was only accessed by the NeverNever, (likely as most of its history predates midern transport) its physical location may not have been known, especially as it doesn’t appear on maps. This made it more difficult for Kemmler to get back to Demonreach. Mab had closed the backdoor and made travel to the island by boat dangerous, especially for a wizard whose power is grounded by magic. The connection between Merlin and Mab in Peace Talks has been established
listen to the Wind and McCoy are relatively ‘local’ so may have figured out the rough area, getting final directions from Harry, merely confirmed it. As Blackstaff Eb may have been the last to deliver a Prisoner to Demonreach before Harry, presumably via the Never Never. Fortier may have been taken to the island by Rashid in the Never, Never with the blessing of Mab to become Warden and never went back.
Mab clearly had met Kemmler, hers is a personal opinion, which tends to support this theory. Rashid would shepherd a new Warden via Arctis Tor and probably make an introduction to Mab. This is pre Accords, so Mab would have been less on speaking terms with the Senior Council and other Wizards at this point, except Rashid.
Much of the series since Grave Peril has been about (1) controlling Harry and (2) controlling Demonreach with (1) and (2) becoming the same thing in Turn Coat.
morriswalters:
Everything that happens through Cold Days revolves around an attempt to replace Mab on the throne with Maeve.
The attack on Demonreach is meant to sow chaos. Butcher does a callback to Nicodemus's words in Death Mask to draw that association.
--- Quote ---"Then why do this?"
Nicodemus studied me for a moment before smiling. "Apocalypse is a frame of mind," he said then. "A belief. A surrender to inevitability. It is despair for the future. It is the death of hope."
--- End quote ---
--- Quote ---“Apocalypse isn’t an event,” Nemesis murmured. “It is a frame of mind.”
I probably would have staggered anyway, but the phrase hit hard.
“This was less a plan than . . . an act of faith, I suppose you would say,” the Outsider continued through Justine’s lips.
“Faith?” I asked.
“In what is coming,” the Walker said. “The unraveling of all things into darkness and silence.”
--- End quote ---
The last of the text from Battle Ground contrasts in how the event is seen by different eyes. Be it despair and the loss of hope or from Nemesis's POV the faith that the event will occur.
Mira:
--- Quote ---You misconstrue, the punishment room in Arctis Tor is the NeverNever backdoor to Demonreach, but you have to get past Mab AND then Alfred in the real world. But in doing so it provided an idea of the force required to overcome Alfred with a Warden, so not a total failure. A first attempt at a break in to ascertain how bad the defences were, for a better organised attempt in the future.
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What is your evidence for this? Can you sight a quote from any of the novels or short stories to back this up? Story,chapter, page please. The only thing close that I can think of is Lea's garden that was connected to Harry's basement apartment.. But that isn't the same as you are suggesting.
--- Quote ---They successfully did the former and failed on the latter. For most beings Demonreach is a one way ticket, word of Alfred is very unlikely to get out. Only a handful of Wardens may have actually been privy to its full secrets with nothing ever written down because of the Archive, and if originally it was only accessed by the NeverNever, (likely as most of its history predates midern transport) its physical location may not have been known, especially as it doesn’t appear on maps. This made it more difficult for Kemmler to get back to Demonreach. Mab had closed the backdoor and made travel to the island by boat dangerous, especially for a wizard whose power is grounded by magic. The connection between Merlin and Mab in Peace Talks has been established
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The closest thing to this is when Merlin created the island in the first place, he did emerged from the Nevernever as described by Alfred and Bob explained to Harry in Cold Days. However while what you suggest is a cool theory, even a theory has to have some hard evidence either in print or WOJ to back it up.
--- Quote ---listen to the Wind and McCoy are relatively ‘local’ so may have figured out the rough area, getting final directions from Harry, merely confirmed it. As Blackstaff Eb may have been the last to deliver a Prisoner to Demonreach before Harry, presumably via the Never Never. Fortier may have been taken to the island by Rashid in the Never, Never with the blessing of Mab to become Warden and never went back.
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No evidence for any of that.. Eb could have possibly taken a prisoner to the island, to what purpose? Eb doesn't have the authority as Warden to bind the prisoner and jail he,she,or it. Rashid has as little to do with the island as possible, this is clearly stated in his conversation with Harry on What's Up Dock in Turn Coat. Paraphrasing, "The island has a grudge against me.."
--- Quote ---Mab clearly had met Kemmler, hers is a personal opinion, which tends to support this theory. Rashid would shepherd a new Warden via Arctis Tor and probably make an introduction to Mab. This is pre Accords, so Mab would have been less on speaking terms with the Senior Council and other Wizards at this point, except Rashid.
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What is your evidence that "Mab clearly met Kemmler"? Why would Rashid shepherd a new Warden to meet Mab? Mab doesn't have anything to do with the island... More pointedly by her reaction in Cold Days to Harry's threat "to sic Alfred on her," she has no say at all on the island.
--- Quote ---Much of the series since Grave Peril has been about (1) controlling Harry and (2) controlling Demonreach with (1) and (2) becoming the same thing in Turn Coat.
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If that is Mab's aim, she isn't very successful.. Also it is clear from when Harry awakens in Ghost Story and the exchange between Mab and Alfred, on the island at least, Mab has no control of either Harry or the island.
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