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Harry should have trusted Ramirez
morriswalters:
The reason Lafortier was killed was to open up a seat on the Senior Council. That is stated explicitly in the text. Could he have been an absentee Warden? Sure. But why? That's almost as bad a not having a Warden at all. To communicate with Alfred Harry has to go to the island. Did LaFortier have a yacht in the harbor at Chicago? For that matter where did Kemmler park his canoe?
Mira:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on February 01, 2022, 07:42:02 PM ---The reason Lafortier was killed was to open up a seat on the Senior Council. That is stated explicitly in the text. Could he have been an absentee Warden? Sure. But why? That's almost as bad a not having a Warden at all. To communicate with Alfred Harry has to go to the island. Did LaFortier have a yacht in the harbor at Chicago? For that matter where did Kemmler park his canoe?
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Both could possibly known a Way, Kemmler especially to the island. However I agree with you on the rest.
--- Quote ---Fortier was on the Senior Council, generally they put the ‘Senior’ In Senior Council.
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Still there is a reason why Rashid said they'd have to go back and revisit all decisions made in the last few years because all of their judgements were questionable. The ink may not have damaged their minds as severely as it did in the case of Luccio, but thinking can be affected and influenced without actually doing physical damage.
--- Quote ---Peabody had wonderful access to the documents of the White Council, his only blind spot was Harry, who didn’t do his paperwork. He likely had access to everything, including the Merlin’s personal intelligence (I believe he was paying Rudy, because everyone competent in Chicago PD had been already bought by Marcone).
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That still doesn't mean that he actually knew everything.
--- Quote ---Ivy is a Member of the Accords, a mediator called upon by the White Council, so yes they would know Harry had been on the island.
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Yes, but that was in Small Favor, Harry didn't become Warden till he stumbled upon it in Turn Coat. So even if they knew, it didn't mean anything that they knew...
--- Quote ---Harry blundered into the Wardenship, it was unforseeable that the murder would result in it, but it did happen, then Harry tells the Senior Council to meet him on the island, Peabody had to wait until he wouldn’t be missed and the Senior Council had left, but must have been frantic.
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Well, if Peabody already knew that Harry had blundered into Wardenship, it was too late for him to do anything anyway. Also he would have known that Morgan was going to be the sacrifice lamb in any case, what did him in was the fact that Harry figured out that he was manipulating other wizards with his ink.
Conspiracy Theorist:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on February 01, 2022, 07:42:02 PM ---The reason Lafortier was killed was to open up a seat on the Senior Council. That is stated explicitly in the text. Could he have been an absentee Warden? Sure. But why? That's almost as bad a not having a Warden at all. To communicate with Alfred Harry has to go to the island. Did LaFortier have a yacht in the harbor at Chicago? For that matter where did Kemmler park his canoe?
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For Christos? He seems only to have been a stalking horse, we have seen nothing to suggest that he was more than an politically ambitious individual fed up with certain aspects of Senior Council politics. He wasn’t Black Council he wouldn’t have been part of the White Council delegation in Peace Talks otherwise. Remember everyone (except Harry) was suggestible at this point. The Black Council gained nothing by elevating Christos, so why murder Fortier? If the murder the Warden and suggest that it was internal politics it throws off the pursuit.
The point is It was known in the White Council from Small Favour Harry was interested in the island, enough to panic.
There is a way onto the island Rashid can use it, as he pleases and Maeve was able to use it once to bring Peabody and the spiders. This suggests that the way comes out deep in Winter, most likely Arctis Tor, and I think we have already seen where, a room where Mab keeps beings prisoner in blocks of crystal ice, where they can reflect upon their misdeeds. Sounds familiar?
The attack on Arctis Tor in Proven Guilty may have been an attempt on Demonreach by Nemesis and the Black Council. Just because you know where something is via the Ways does not map onto its location in the real world, and Demonreach hides its location. A way from Arctis Tor to Demonreach may long have been known and used in the past, but subsequently guarded by Mab. That attempt failed because Fortier was Warden and doubtless the Alfred was set up to guard it in his absence.
This mean’t identifying the Warden, killing him and taking up the Wardenship themselves. This attack would have been set up in Grave Peril giving Lea the Athame, and follows on from the Nemesis strategy of dual attack on the Outer Gates and Demonreach. If Cowl had been successful in Dead Beat he would have taken down the well protected White Council headquarters, in the process killing the then unidentified Warden.
Maeve and the Black Council may have only discovered its real world location in Turn Coat, if it is something passed down orally amongst the Senior Council and Blackstaff and the Warden (the Archive didn’t know) and then not to all members of the Senior Council. Spooky island may not have equated with Supernatural Supermax for most of the Senior Council.
This allowed for a direct attack in Cold Days, and Nemesis trying to access again by deceit in Battleground. Thrice denied. Four if you count Dead Beat.
morriswalters:
I never said it couldn't be true. I asked why it might be.
Mira:
--- Quote ---The attack on Arctis Tor in Proven Guilty may have been an attempt on Demonreach by Nemesis and the Black Council. Just because you know where something is via the Ways does not map onto its location in the real world, and Demonreach hides its location. A way from Arctis Tor to Demonreach may long have been known and used in the past, but subsequently guarded by Mab. That attempt failed because Fortier was Warden and doubtless the Alfred was set up to guard it in his absence.
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The problem with that theory is Arctis Tor is in the Nevernever, while Demonreach is not, I also doubt whoever attacked Arctis Tor would confuse the two. While the island isn't on the map it can be found if you know where to look. The Denarians had no problem finding it and taking Ivy and Marcone there.
--- Quote ---For Christos? He seems only to have been a stalking horse, we have seen nothing to suggest that he was more than an politically ambitious individual fed up with certain aspects of Senior Council politics. He wasn’t Black Council he wouldn’t have been part of the White Council delegation in Peace Talks otherwise. Remember everyone (except Harry) was suggestible at this point. The Black Council gained nothing by elevating Christos, so why murder Fortier? If the murder the Warden and suggest that it was internal politics it throws off the pursuit.
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But no one has clue who is on the Black Council, except it is a good bet that Peabody was, but he is dead. Until he was found out by Harry he played the efficient loyal Council secretary for years. So
Christos could very well be on the Black Council quietly undermining the White Council. It has also been suggested that it could be a figment of Harry's imagination.. Not that he is wrong, but it may not be what he thinks.
--- Quote ---The point is It was known in the White Council from Small Favour Harry was interested in the island, enough to panic.
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Harry wasn't interested in the island in Small Favor, he went there, true, but only because Nic wanted him to go there with the Sword of Faith to trade for Ivy and Marcone.
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There is a way onto the island Rashid can use it, as he pleases and Maeve was able to use it once to bring Peabody and the spiders. This suggests that the way comes out deep in Winter, most likely Arctis Tor, and I think we have already seen where, a room where Mab keeps beings prisoner in blocks of crystal ice, where they can reflect upon their misdeeds. Sounds familiar?
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There really isn't any evidence for that.. Yes, Rashid used a Way to get to the island. Peabody did as well along with the spiders, no evidence that it was the same Way that Rashid used. Or if it was Rashid was better at controlling the spiders than Peabody because it was just him waiting for Harry on the dock. I don't think that Maeve needs to use a Way to get anywhere anymore than Mab does.
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