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Why didn’t Molly go to Eb or Listens to Wind as Harry suggested?
SerScot:
--- Quote from: Mira on November 07, 2021, 06:42:30 PM ---It was still her decision to do it, her choice.. Harry cannot be held responsible because his brain wasn't working right at the time. What proves that point, is he didn't think beyond his death, what about his little girl? He knows how terrible it is to be left as an orphan, yet consign his daughter to that fate? No, is the answer, he wouldn't.. I also think that added to the guilt trip of his own when it comes to Maggie, it wasn't just killing her mother, who was no longer human by the way, but his willingness to leave her an orphan
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This reminds me of Harry’s first meeting with Thomas in Cold Days I’ve always felt Thomas’ criticism and anger at Harry was fully justified. That Harry’s guilt and frustration with himself equally justified. Yes, Harry was played with and pushed by a fallen, but, he was driving down that road before he got that last little nudge.
Harry’s guilt at excluding and by extension judging Thomas was perfectly appropriate. As is his guilt over failing Molly.
morriswalters:
Here's the thing. Harry can't control anyone but himself. Whatever he does is on him. It isn't on Molly or anyone else. Molly may well have made bad decisions of her own. But this is about what Harry did. If your personal code says something is wrong and you do it anyway, then it's wrong.
Harry tells Susan this at the beginning of Changes.
--- Quote ---“Susan. Whatever happens from here . . . we’re done.” I looked up at her. “You know that. You knew it when you chose not to tell me.”
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If you tell her it's over, then it's over. And you have given up the right to make decisions of any type where that individual is concerned. And Harry tricked Susan into changing. And he knew he was doing it.
--- Quote ---If Molly abused her magic or came anywhere near violating any of the Laws of Magic, she’d be executed at once—and I’d join her.
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He knew the price she might have to pay and he asked anyway. It isn't all that hard. And he left her to face the music alone.
SerScot:
--- Quote --- And Harry tricked Susan into changing. And he knew he was doing it.
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You are the first person I’ve seen mention that fact. Why do we never talk about Harry lying to Susan?
Arjan:
--- Quote from: SerScot on November 07, 2021, 11:51:53 PM ---You are the first person I’ve seen mention that fact. Why do we never talk about Harry lying to Susan?
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We did talk about it in previous threads.
Because it did not get Harry’s attention later. It was not the thing Harry was guilty about probably because it was overshadowed by the killing itself.
I don’t know if Susan believed that lie but I do not think she cared. She was as single minded as Harry at that point. It achieved what she wanted most and she got the complete red court as a bonus.
The whole action was completely within the spirit of their agreement.
morriswalters:
This is about Harry's hero journey. How does he evolve as a character if these defects don't exist? It isn't that Harry must be completely moral, but he must recognize when he crosses lines that he's drawn, and mistakes he's made.
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